• Kushan@lemmy.world
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    I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.

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      He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one

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            I think I’ve heard that as a Hitler joke. Say what you want about Hitler, at least he killed Hitler.

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              That’s more fitting. It’s a miss on Steve Jobs though. For one he didn’t kill himself, cancer did. And for another, just because he could be a prick doesn’t make him a bad person worth killing.

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                He had a very treatable cancer that was found in the early stages and was given an excellent prognosis, but in his infinite megalomaniac manner he decided he knew better than the doctors and opted to treat his cancer at home with homeopathic remedies. His home made new age “cures” clearly didn’t work and by the time he finally decided to get proper treatment his cancer had metastasized and he was beyond help… sounds to me like he played a large hand in his own demise so the joke plays.

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                  Yeah I get what you’re saying. It’s still something entirely different to bomb yourself to death vs. to not do enough to stop a disease. And even with all the haters in here, I don’t think any reasonable person would want Steve Jobs dead, it’s not like he murdered people.

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                    He did nothing to stop the disease and actively rejected treatment and advice from medical professionals because he thought he knew better. So while this isn’t the same as actively killing oneself, he is still more than likely responsible for his own death due to his own actions (or inaction).

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                Getting a treatable cancer and then choosing to do nothing about it other than eat fruit and refuse proper medical care is tantamount to killing yourself IMO.

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          Cancer did. And just because he could be a prick doesn’t mean he deserved to die so soon.

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            Iono, the kind of prick he was (narcissist who traumatized his own daughter and headed a company which needed suicide nets for the workers who made their product), paired with the fact that he signed his own death from his own deliberate delusions makes me conclude he did deserve to die, in more than one sense of the word ‘deserve’.

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            Never said he deserved to die. Interesting what words you’re choosing to put in my mouth.

            He had a very treatable cancer and chose to eat oranges about it instead. He killed himself with his own hubris.

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          He’s really awful too, or at the very least he used to be.

          He’s done a lot of rebranding himself as being a great guy as of late, and put his money towards some great causes.

          But when he was in charge of Microsoft he’d openly treat people like shit, openly steal things, openly do anticompetitive and illegal business practices, deliberately put small companies out of business, and openly bribe politicians to look the other way as he built his illegally-gained business empire.

          The technology landscape today is vastly more closed and monopolised because of his/MS’s actions.

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            All the recent stuff is him trying to whitewash his image so he isn’t remembered as the bastard he is. Unfortunately, it’s working.

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            put his money towards some great causes

            Don’t forget how much MS lobbied countries all over the world to spend public money on MS products. Plus the anticompetitive shenanigans, it’s more of an our money.

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            If you accept his research money (which people don’t seem to do anymore) there are so many strings attached that if you find something you’ll probably be liable even if you give it all up for free.

            I’m still waiting for something good coming out of his pocket money spendings for good causes.

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              I’m still waiting for something good coming out of his pocket money spendings for good causes.

              The eradication of polio isn’t good enough for you?

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          1. He’s a billionaire.
          2. Cheated on his wife.
          3. Travelled to Epstein’s Island.
          4. Got removed from Microsoft for propositioning female employees for sex
          5. Used Microsoft’s market position to kill off any competition. Remember Netscape?
          6. His foundation pushed hard to make the COVID vaccines intellectual property of drug manufacturers so they would get richer, leaving the world dependent on them for doses instead of allowing everyone to produce it.
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            Don’t forget the incessant lobbying for charter schools even though nobody wants them and there’s no research to suggest they are better than the public system.

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          He’s a giant asshole too (I mean when you look at Microsoft it’s not very positive) but he’s worked a lot on his image in the last decades

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          With money he got from a monopoly, meaning the money he took plus the deadweight loss are even worse for humanity. Computers would be even better today if it wasn’t for him, and we would’ve produced better things than we have today.

          Monopolists “giving back” is insidious because it’s much easier to see what they gave us than what they took away.

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            I agree with you but he’s not on the same page as Steve Jobs, not in my book. Billionaires can’t exist in a fair system so they’re existence isn’t justified but comparatively speaking he is better than Jobs

            We may have better computers but Malaria may be more of an issue, whereas without Jobs nothing of note would be missing other too many biopics.

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              It might as well be that if Jobs were still alive, he’d be running some PR washing campaign to also be all good ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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              Malaria is still around though, spending pocket change for a cause doesn’t mean it’s helping (especially with all the strings attached if you actually get a grant).

              Malaria will be beaten with classic research. I mean it’s still all around…

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            The standardization of operating systems was an important step though. If there were hundreds of different OS’s on the market, then the PC generation would have stalled. The fact that there were basically only three dominant platforms meant that we could have market stability.

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              Where have you heard that a monopoly can be more beneficial than harmful because of standardization? Has that happened with any other monopolies?

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                It’s common sense. If you have hundreds of operating systems, then it becomes a pain to get the right software. First, developers are discouraged because they don’t know what platform will be best to develop on and users will be discouraged because they might need to install twenty different OS partitions in order to run the software they want to run.

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                  No offense but no it is not common sense. The economics of monopolies have been studied for centuries, including any benefit from standardization (like with Standard Oil). It creates a costly deadweight loss.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly#Monopoly_and_efficiency

                  For what it’s worth I was there, and the handful of OSes in the 1980s (not 20) weren’t as problematic as the monopoly later. It seems like common sense to me that today’s multiple browsers are better than IE standardization was.

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      From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.

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        Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.

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        I had a former boss who idolized him. Which was… concerning as his employee.