For the past four years the Biden administration and TikTok have been negotiating a deal to resolve national security concerns posed by the Chinese-owned app. Here’s a look inside a draft of the deal.
This will destroy what we love about TikTok. The ability to get silenced news stories out that the established press either refuse to report on, or serve to hide or water down the narrative. The train derailment, the Alabama waterfront brawl, news on terrible legislative happenings, the ability to coordinate flashmob style protests.
They do this, we will NEED a replacement. I refuse to go back to navigating this political landscape blindly.
It could be a Chinabot. At a certain point on Lemmy I realized that there are quite a few bots or bot-like users here that will just fire-and-forget some statement that’s (1) psychologically persuasive (2) vaguely plausible if you don’t scrutinize it, and (3) in support of some point of view that a state actor wants people to have. Then, they’ll never respond again.
Maybe I’m being cynical and this person will be open to a back and forth with some kind of justification or something, but my money’s against it. The “destroy what we love about Tiktok” was the giveaway for me. Again I could be wrong, but that’s generally not how real human people phrase things.
I’m guessing people aren’t interacting with you because your tone makes it clear you aren’t looking for a conversation. Not everyone that disagrees with you is a bot. You’re type of “debating” is draining, don’t be a dick in how you ask and maybe people will be more open to explaining their position. Not everything is a fight.
Yeah, I think you’re right in this instance. I looked back at my comments here and I was definitely a dick.
IDK, I’ve become sort of embittered talking with people on lemmy.world. I think my comment history overall can speak for itself in terms of whether I’m looking for a conversation or an argument most of the time… but I’ve also had many interactions where it’s very clear the other people are simply not operating on a level of “let’s talk about it because we’re both interested in the truth.” I’ve noticed that over time I’ve tended more and more towards jumping to the conclusion that the person I’m talking to is not operating in good faith.
That’s not to excuse this instance. You’re honestly 100% right, and even my “polite” initial message in this case is basically looking for a fight, which isn’t helpful whether I’m right or wrong. IDK, maybe the answer is for me to go to some community where I won’t need to feel this cynicism at people I’m talking to right out of the gate. I don’t think me being embittered when talking to anyone is good for anything, no.
Can you give some examples from the last month or two of these silenced news stories, please (what aspect of it was reported on Tiktok that wasn’t in the establishment press)? I see your list, but I could list about ten stories on each from the established press I think, so it’s tough to tell what information it is that you’re saying you’re dependent on Tiktok to get.
Edit: No response, which was what I expected. I believe this person is lying with the aim of influencing people’s opinion; i.e. they don’t actually value the ability to get news from Tiktok with any specifics that they can talk any further about, but they just crafted that opinion to put out there to create the perception that “people” think Tiktok is a good thing. The silence, when asked for simple details about what they said they believed, is generally a tell (not just that their opinion on the matter is one I disagree with, but that their whole claim to have the opinion in the first place is just some bullshit they fabricated.)
You don’t owe me anything, now or later. You did make time to lay out what we love about Tiktok within a few minutes of the first post, so I had some follow-up questions. If you think my message is worth spending the time to address, feel free to respond, but not’s okay too. I feel like I already pretty much said what I have to say on it.
Ha. TikTok is heavily censored by the Chinese government. It also is a mass data collection beyond any other social media app, well beyond anything that serves the company. Its essentially spying on you. ByteDance is effectively also owned by the Chinese Government. It’s not a privately owned app.
There is a replacement. You’re probably on most of them. It just won’t be short form video.
This is missing some pretty important context, in that CPC policy is generally more restrictive around social media and youth usage. This is a country that has legal limits on the amount of time minors can play video games (and I know that’s not unique to China). If you’re making the point, in good faith, that China has identified some specific evil in regards to TikTok, it’s not enough to merely show that they have restrictions on it; you would also need to show how this differs from the way they treat Weibo, bilibili, etc.
Dude I’ve never even been on TikTok’s site. I have TikTok blocked with my PiHole and I know about those events. That you believe you can only get these stories on TikTok means you’re playing directly into their hands.
This will destroy what we love about TikTok. The ability to get silenced news stories out that the established press either refuse to report on, or serve to hide or water down the narrative. The train derailment, the Alabama waterfront brawl, news on terrible legislative happenings, the ability to coordinate flashmob style protests.
They do this, we will NEED a replacement. I refuse to go back to navigating this political landscape blindly.
i can’t tell if this is a joke or not.
It could be a Chinabot. At a certain point on Lemmy I realized that there are quite a few bots or bot-like users here that will just fire-and-forget some statement that’s (1) psychologically persuasive (2) vaguely plausible if you don’t scrutinize it, and (3) in support of some point of view that a state actor wants people to have. Then, they’ll never respond again.
Maybe I’m being cynical and this person will be open to a back and forth with some kind of justification or something, but my money’s against it. The “destroy what we love about Tiktok” was the giveaway for me. Again I could be wrong, but that’s generally not how real human people phrase things.
I’m guessing people aren’t interacting with you because your tone makes it clear you aren’t looking for a conversation. Not everyone that disagrees with you is a bot. You’re type of “debating” is draining, don’t be a dick in how you ask and maybe people will be more open to explaining their position. Not everything is a fight.
Yeah, I think you’re right in this instance. I looked back at my comments here and I was definitely a dick.
IDK, I’ve become sort of embittered talking with people on lemmy.world. I think my comment history overall can speak for itself in terms of whether I’m looking for a conversation or an argument most of the time… but I’ve also had many interactions where it’s very clear the other people are simply not operating on a level of “let’s talk about it because we’re both interested in the truth.” I’ve noticed that over time I’ve tended more and more towards jumping to the conclusion that the person I’m talking to is not operating in good faith.
That’s not to excuse this instance. You’re honestly 100% right, and even my “polite” initial message in this case is basically looking for a fight, which isn’t helpful whether I’m right or wrong. IDK, maybe the answer is for me to go to some community where I won’t need to feel this cynicism at people I’m talking to right out of the gate. I don’t think me being embittered when talking to anyone is good for anything, no.
Not. If you TikTok you know
Can you give some examples from the last month or two of these silenced news stories, please (what aspect of it was reported on Tiktok that wasn’t in the establishment press)? I see your list, but I could list about ten stories on each from the established press I think, so it’s tough to tell what information it is that you’re saying you’re dependent on Tiktok to get.
Edit: No response, which was what I expected. I believe this person is lying with the aim of influencing people’s opinion; i.e. they don’t actually value the ability to get news from Tiktok with any specifics that they can talk any further about, but they just crafted that opinion to put out there to create the perception that “people” think Tiktok is a good thing. The silence, when asked for simple details about what they said they believed, is generally a tell (not just that their opinion on the matter is one I disagree with, but that their whole claim to have the opinion in the first place is just some bullshit they fabricated.)
Because I’m busy with family. I don’t owe you a same day report. Ffs, go pound sand until I have time for your shit.
You don’t owe me anything, now or later. You did make time to lay out what we love about Tiktok within a few minutes of the first post, so I had some follow-up questions. If you think my message is worth spending the time to address, feel free to respond, but not’s okay too. I feel like I already pretty much said what I have to say on it.
TikTok is and always has been hot garbage, so I can see why kids would enjoy it.
kids today and their trash. *shakes head bemusedly*
Ha. TikTok is heavily censored by the Chinese government. It also is a mass data collection beyond any other social media app, well beyond anything that serves the company. Its essentially spying on you. ByteDance is effectively also owned by the Chinese Government. It’s not a privately owned app.
There is a replacement. You’re probably on most of them. It just won’t be short form video.
Genuinely. The chinese government uses algorithms and active moderation to make sure their tiktok is not nearly as wild as ours.
This is missing some pretty important context, in that CPC policy is generally more restrictive around social media and youth usage. This is a country that has legal limits on the amount of time minors can play video games (and I know that’s not unique to China). If you’re making the point, in good faith, that China has identified some specific evil in regards to TikTok, it’s not enough to merely show that they have restrictions on it; you would also need to show how this differs from the way they treat Weibo, bilibili, etc.
My ignorance has been proven! I’m very vaguely aware of all of this.
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Dude I’ve never even been on TikTok’s site. I have TikTok blocked with my PiHole and I know about those events. That you believe you can only get these stories on TikTok means you’re playing directly into their hands.