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    I mean, the whole “no ethical consumption under capitalism” or “all corporate ethics are fake” type stuff has plenty of truth to it, but at the same time, one does have to get any good or service not made oneself from somewhere, and corporations are made up of people with different views about what they’re personally willing to do, or how much they think taking unethical actions even is the profitable thing. So, there is still room for some businesses to be worse than others.

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      Ben & Jerry’s was traditionally a “good” company for example, but what killed that was them getting bought out by an evil company, Unilever. This path is the path a lot of “good” companies take when they go bad.

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          To be fair, Unilever has owned Ben & Jerry’s since April 2000.

          Unless you were pressuring them about that issue before April 2000, you were actually dealing with Unilever.

          Which is literally my point.

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              Published date: 20 July 2021 14:27 BST

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%26_Jerry's#Unilever_era

              In April 2000, Ben & Jerry’s sold itself to British multinational food giant Unilever for $326 million

              In 2010, Jostein Solheim, a Unilever executive from Norway, was appointed CEO.

              In 2018, Matthew McCarthy, previously a Unilever executive, was appointed CEO, replacing Solheim.

              You’re missing the point here. It hasn’t been in control of the original people who ran the company for a long, long time. It’s literally been being run by Unilever executives.

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                _The brand said it would end sales in the territories

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                after years ::: of campaigning by activists allied with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign._

                I think I see what you’re saying but they still owned the company.

                However,

                When did Ben and Jerry’s become a public company? In 1978, with $12,000, Ben & Jerry’s opened in a vacant gas station. The first franchise followed in 1981, distribution outside Vermont began in 1983, and the company went public in 1984.

                So maybe that’s the biggest issue.

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                  Yeah going public is often the death knell of real progressive action from companies.

                  I think we are mostly on the same page. I would say “owning the company” isn’t the same as “in control of how the company works” when you’re owned by a giant parent company. They may still “own” it but they haven’t effectively been in direct control of its current and future operations since 2000.