The best data is from military recruits, and there are a couple of recent studies, one published in 2020 and one in 2023. They looked at cis men, cis women, trans man and trans women. How many steps you can do in a minute, how many push ups you can do in a minute, and how fast you can run 1.5 miles. And what they found in that study was that trans women remained faster for up to two years after the initiation of gender affirming hormone therapy. At four years, trans women continued to do more sit ups and push ups.
Are you sure you can google results of trans athletes setting female records? Cuz even trying to find a conservative website giving an example is not turning up anything. And for other, science-based sites, I just keep seeing over and over that it’s a myth and doesn’t actually happen.
The only records they mention are local records that were incidentally broken by those individuals, and in many cases are also listing unofficial events that specifically have no wait period.
They seem more concerned that “girls” are losing opportunities, seemingly forgetting that they are also talking about girls taking those places.
For someone who is claiming it’s not about “trans people participating” you didn’t pick a very good example of that not being your focus.
Please look into the actual science, you are backing your opinion up with feelings rather than facts.
Please look into the actual science, you are backing your opinion up with feelings rather than facts.
Like the NPR article I linked before that you simply ignored?
You claimed it has literally never happened and I linked you 600 examples and now you’re claiming not a single one of them is good enough for you? You sure it’s me whose going on by feelings here?
Please, link me one of those scientific studies that you approve of that shows no difference and I’ll look into it.
The NPR article is backing the official 2 year wait, that was implemented decades ago. Did you actually read through the site you linked me, it contains none of what you said it would and didn’t support your point at all. I am worse off for having read it, but I actually did.
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You can also google endless examples of trans athletes breaking women’s records. Don’t lie that it has never happened.
Are you sure you can google results of trans athletes setting female records? Cuz even trying to find a conservative website giving an example is not turning up anything. And for other, science-based sites, I just keep seeing over and over that it’s a myth and doesn’t actually happen.
Here’s almost 600 examples.
Ignoring how incredibly offensive that site is.
It’s just a list of people that showed up.
The only records they mention are local records that were incidentally broken by those individuals, and in many cases are also listing unofficial events that specifically have no wait period.
They seem more concerned that “girls” are losing opportunities, seemingly forgetting that they are also talking about girls taking those places.
For someone who is claiming it’s not about “trans people participating” you didn’t pick a very good example of that not being your focus.
Please look into the actual science, you are backing your opinion up with feelings rather than facts.
Like the NPR article I linked before that you simply ignored?
You claimed it has literally never happened and I linked you 600 examples and now you’re claiming not a single one of them is good enough for you? You sure it’s me whose going on by feelings here?
Please, link me one of those scientific studies that you approve of that shows no difference and I’ll look into it.
The NPR article is backing the official 2 year wait, that was implemented decades ago. Did you actually read through the site you linked me, it contains none of what you said it would and didn’t support your point at all. I am worse off for having read it, but I actually did.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/09/1168858094/arguments-that-trans-athletes-have-an-unfair-advantage-lacks-evidence-to-support
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lia-thomas-trans-swimmer-ron-desantis-b2091218.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/16l3c0h/are_there_any_examples_of_trans_women_actually/
This last one is a pdf, but I highly recommend it. It’s one of those “scientific studies I approve of that shows no difference”. It actually concludes that a 1 year wait would likely be enough for almost all sports. https://cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/2024-01/transgender-women-athletes-and-elitesport-a-scientific-review-en.pdf