57k for a junior was “decent” in Berlin 10 years ago for anyone that could spell Javascript. Nowadays it falls squarely into “I’ll take this job because it’s better than nothing” territory.
While they don’t write it explicitly I think they’re looking for a good junior developer, given that:
they are not asking for Rust work experience, instead for good Rust knowledge and experience with open source development, both of which you can obtain on your own if you’re a competent student
but also, is there even anyone that has experience in Rust and compiler/interpreter/typesetting development and is looking for a job? If they did require that almost nobody would qualify and the cycle of “I don’t have experience for applying to this job to get experience” would continue
57k€ is not a bad salary for a junior developer in Europe
the two founders have graduated recently (~3 years ago) and have been working on Typst since then (their master thesis was on creating Typst itself), so it’s likely they are looking for someone like them.
Once upon a time, a “meaningful wage” was something that would allow you to raise a family of 4 while living a comfortable middle class standard of living.
57k€ gross salary in Berlin amounts to ~3360€ per month net income. Rent alone will eat 30-40% of that.
You can survive on that salary, which is more than most people are managing to do nowadays. But to think that someone with such specialized competency should expect a “not bad” salary shows a pretty sad state of affairs.
Rent eating 30-40% of your income is extremely normal, isn’t it? Or is that only true in the US (where it has recently become much more than that for many people)?
I don’t know about you, but I don’t think we should accept to be working for less or to accept a lower standard of living just because so many people have it worse.
As long as your work is:
honest
ethical
providing real value to whoever is paying for it
not pushing externalities for others
Then “what is normal” should have no bearing in this.
Not so much of a good measure of how you live but on how much (or little) people are left for other things, including saving/investing towards their own homes.
I feel like we’re talking past each other. My impression was that 30% towards your living situation is a pretty decent target; what would you expect the percentage to be?
I will paraphrase my father: “it doesn’t matter how much money you are making if you are spending most of it. If you want to build wealth, you need to look at how much you can set aside every month”.
what would you expect the percentage to be?
A lot less. When I was single and sharing an apartment, I’d pay 600€ on a ~4000€ netto salary. 10 years, a marriage and two kids later, our place is about 1400€ even when our combined income was 3.5x as much.
In addition to the high likelihood that they are asking for an advanced junior dev “Picking between an Arc<T>, a Box<T>, and an &T is second nature to you.” (Not that advanced of a skill), even if they have a closed source webapp, they are still predominantly open source (that position is for that part), they don’t have much money. For that it’s not great, but not horrible either.
They’re claiming this being representative of the rust space and that rust is being pushed to drive out expense seniors. You think that’s a valid point to make?
57k€ for someone with Rust experience?!
Maybe that “Rewriting things in Rust is just to get rid of old people that can command high salaries” LinkedIn Lunatic was right after all…
57k is more than decent for a junior, what are you talking about.
57k for a junior was “decent” in Berlin 10 years ago for anyone that could spell Javascript. Nowadays it falls squarely into “I’ll take this job because it’s better than nothing” territory.
While they don’t write it explicitly I think they’re looking for a good junior developer, given that:
they are not asking for Rust work experience, instead for good Rust knowledge and experience with open source development, both of which you can obtain on your own if you’re a competent student
57k€ is not a bad salary for a junior developer in Europe
the two founders have graduated recently (~3 years ago) and have been working on Typst since then (their master thesis was on creating Typst itself), so it’s likely they are looking for someone like them.
Once upon a time, a “meaningful wage” was something that would allow you to raise a family of 4 while living a comfortable middle class standard of living.
57k€ gross salary in Berlin amounts to ~3360€ per month net income. Rent alone will eat 30-40% of that.
You can survive on that salary, which is more than most people are managing to do nowadays. But to think that someone with such specialized competency should expect a “not bad” salary shows a pretty sad state of affairs.
Rent eating 30-40% of your income is extremely normal, isn’t it? Or is that only true in the US (where it has recently become much more than that for many people)?
You missed the last paragraph, didn’t you?
I don’t know about you, but I don’t think we should accept to be working for less or to accept a lower standard of living just because so many people have it worse.
As long as your work is:
Then “what is normal” should have no bearing in this.
Okay, what I meant was, is rent taking 30% really indicative of a low standard of living?
Not so much of a good measure of how you live but on how much (or little) people are left for other things, including saving/investing towards their own homes.
I feel like we’re talking past each other. My impression was that 30% towards your living situation is a pretty decent target; what would you expect the percentage to be?
I will paraphrase my father: “it doesn’t matter how much money you are making if you are spending most of it. If you want to build wealth, you need to look at how much you can set aside every month”.
A lot less. When I was single and sharing an apartment, I’d pay 600€ on a ~4000€ netto salary. 10 years, a marriage and two kids later, our place is about 1400€ even when our combined income was 3.5x as much.
In addition to the high likelihood that they are asking for an advanced junior dev “Picking between an
Arc<T>, aBox<T>, and an&Tis second nature to you.” (Not that advanced of a skill), even if they have a closed source webapp, they are still predominantly open source (that position is for that part), they don’t have much money. For that it’s not great, but not horrible either.It makes sense if they hire middles, not seniors
Lol what a weird ass conspiracy theory take to waste my time reading
Their making a valid point though in this context
They’re claiming this being representative of the rust space and that rust is being pushed to drive out expense seniors. You think that’s a valid point to make?