Or maybe a two click solution? :)

  • Disregard3145@lemmy.worldEnglish
    142·
    1 year ago

    Self hosting what?

    In general

    1. Install docker
    2. Copy and paste docker run commands from the getting started guide
    3. Learn from mistakes
      • snekerpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        docker-compose helped me wrap my head around docker. I can use run commands now, but prefer to either modify a compose file or create my own to spin things up.

    • aeternum@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      It’s so easy to self host these days. I remember when you’d have to fuck around with Apache configs and fuck around with app config files etc. Now you just run docker. It’s so great these days!

      • zib@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I’m still fucking with the apache configs (I fucking hate apache…). As someone with no docker experience whatsoever, are there any getting started guides you would recommend for someone looking to make the switch?

        • aeternum@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          I don’t have any specific guides in mind, but you’ll want to use docker-compose as much as possible, also create /home/your_user/docker/app/ for each app, and keep your docker compose files. If you use docker run, keep a copy of the commands you use, because if you need to restart your services, it will be a lot easier than having to search up the command in your bash history again. You can just cat docker.txt | bash and it will recreate your docker containers for you. That’s all i can really think of for getting started. Also, docker ps will be a godsend.

    • JTR@lemmings.basic-domain.comEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      To be fair thats pretty much the IT gig in general, not the docker part but the rest copy/paste run commands, then learn from whatever you screw up couple of years later you might very well end up working in IT

    • sentient_loom@kbin.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      Okay. I keep reading about docker. What’s the difference between a docker and just installing an app on rented server space?

      Does each dock (?) have its own server? (Apache or nginx or whatever?)

      Does each dock host a whole site, or do you have a dock for your database and a dock for your web app?

      • TooTallSol@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        What’s the difference between a docker and just installing an app on rented server space?

        Functionally? Not much. But people who selfhost typically want everything on computers they own. Whether it’s for learning purposes, or to not have their stuff on “someone else’s computer” selfhosting usually means you’re running software on computers you own, almost always within your own house.

        Does each dock (?) have its own server? (Apache or nginx or whatever?)

        Each docker image usually has a web server built in. The philosophy of docker is that it contains everything needed to run the app. Even a small linux OS (LibELEC or Alpine are favorites for docker images). So while you’re not managing the web server in a docker image each docker image will have its own web server if web access is needed

        Does each dock host a whole site, or do you have a dock for your database and a dock for your web app?

        Docker the program is what runs all the docker images on a computer. Each docker image is built as per the software’s developer. Some docker images will have a web app and a database combined into a single image, while others will expect a separate database server running independent of the image (It won’t care if the database server is a docker image or not; just that it has access)

      • GustavoM@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        More control and security (you can set a command to run as “nobody” – which is an user with the least amount of permissions/privileges. Plus isolation/sandbox features).

        Optimization is also a thing to consider and even saving time… depending of how “complex” the command is.

      • soft_frog@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Docker is basically a virtual machine image you write your software in. Then when you run the software you don’t need to worry about compatibility or having the right dependencies installed, it’s all included in the docker image.

        Think of Docker as being Nintendo cartridges that you can take to any friends house, plug them in, and play. Servers can run more than one Docker container.

        The approach greatly simplifies writing code and having it work on your server, reduces errors, and adds a layer of security.

        • Elle@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          I’ve read and reread, listened and relistened to info on docker/containers and I still feel like I’m missing something tbh.

          Let’s say you have a docker container for something and it’s for a Linux distro, that won’t run on another OS, will it? Maybe not even a different Linux distro from the one it was made for (e.g. Ubuntu or Arch or Fedora or whatever).

          To go off your example, Docker’s not like an expansion module to make your Switch games work on a PlayStation or Xbox…Right? There seems to be some kind of mixed messaging on this, the way they’re so readily recommended (which seems to be related to a presumption of familiarity that often isn’t there toward those inquiring).

          I guess I’ve also been confused because like…Shouldn’t old installers handle bundling or pulling relevant dependencies as they’re run? I’d imagine that’s where containers’ security benefits come into play though, alongside being virtualized processes if I’m not mistaken.

          • Disregard3145@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            For simplicity its easiest to imagine it as a simulator or emulator. Its not trying to be your machine (called the host machine) pretend it doesn’t actually use your os, or software.

            Imagine each container is a fresh new machine on your desk with a blank hard drive. The image is basically the result of a set of instructions (a Dockerfile) that docker follows to install all the stuff you need to get the machine running.

            Normally it starts by installing an os like alpine Linux (alpine publish this docker image and you simply build on top of that)

            Then you install any extra utilities and software you might need to run the programming, maybe python or Java (again there are images themselves based on alpine managed and updated by official sources)

            Finally you install what you want and tell the computer that’s what to run when it boots up (often the software you want to run gives an official docker image which has done all this for you)

            So when you run a docker image its actually done all this setup for you already and just stored the resultsin a way that it can apply it straight to your shiny new container in an instant and be ready.

            Docker compose is instructions on how to set up a bunch of computers with a network.

  • ddnomad@infosec.pubEnglish
    7·
    1 year ago

    Depends on what you want to self-host. In general, I would advise against self-hosting anything before you familiarise yourself with the basics of *nix, networking and cyber security.

    You at least need to know enough to make sure that whatever you host is only available within your local network and is inaccessible from the outside.

    Once that’s ensured, go nuts, experiment, learn, evolve.

    In terms of how to start, really depends on your budget, what hardware you can spare, how much space you have at your place etc.

    For the most basic playground it’s enough to have a raspberry pi or similar, or a very old laptop / desktop computer.

    For something more swanky you can get old Dell servers (e.g. R420) online for around 100$ or so. They are quite power hungry though. Or you can get yourself a NUC and use that.

    If all of this sounds like too much work, just get yourself QNAP / Synology NAS and see what it can do for you (it is way more limited in terms of options, but easier to setup and you can still have your Plex / file sharing / docker containers).

    • webghost0101@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I would like to self host a lemmy instance.

      I know enough to have setup an ubuntu server with docker containers and servers on my local network, but except a minecraft server never exposed any kind of server to the web.

  • dontblink@feddit.itEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    What would be the point of self hosting then?

    Generally speaking installing stuff on a raspberry pi with docker and accessing it over a vpn is pretty safe and already straightforward.

  • GustavoM@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    tl;dr:

    Go to search.brave.com

    Search for “docker cheat sheet”

    Check the first two links, write down whatever that is in there

    Then search “How to install docker on (Your current OS)”

    Click on whatever link appears first, blindly follow the step by step

    Then search “Best things to self-host”

    Check the first two links, see if something tickles your fancy

    Then search for “How to install (ticklyfancy stuff) on docker”

    Once again, blindly follow the step by step

    Congrats! You are now a pro docker user.

  • zaggynl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    1 year ago

    You could through the following route:

    • purchase something like a small Synology NAS and learn how to set up the networking/firewall bits
    • buy/repurpose a used desktop/laptop, install something like yunohost/unraid
    • buy parts for your own server, put it together, use the same own server but install proxmox, setup VMs/containers
    • use the same own server but install debian, play around with docker/docker-compose/ansible

    If you don’t have the means to get new hardware, you can use hyper-v or virtualbox for free on Windows or virtualbox/virt-manager on Linux on existing hardware.

    Simple project to start with: install pihole and configure it as your DNS adblocking filter at home

    • install iphole on a VM/PC/raspberry pi that is connected to your home LAN
    • configure your PC or router to use the pihole host as DNS server
    • test various websites you know that have ads before and after using pihole

    While doing things like these, keep notes what you do by day, using those notes, put together your own howto manuals. Do not be afraid to fail, sleep over it and try again, don’t be afraid to ask specific questions here or on other forums, IRC.

  • hitagi@ani.socialEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    I think you should just choose whatever software or project you want to selfhost, read how to do it, and learn by doing.

    I’m a complete idiot but I learned how to self host from trying to set up a Jellyfin server on my Windows desktop. Now I host game servers, Matrix with bridges, Discord bots, and this Lemmy instance that I’m in. I (re)learned how to use Linux and fell in love with it too.

    It’s all about reading the manual I guess.

    • BetterNotBigger@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      This is how I got a career in Software Engineering, literally had a strong motivation to build a clan website for my Counter-Strike 1.6 crew and I just ended up learning by maintaining self-hosted websites, forums, and voip. Kept doing it over and over by building other projects and then realized people pay for this skill…

  • Gompje@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    Hmm maybe Unraid with the community store? When you got unraid running its just a matter of selecting an app from the store and hop: it runs. Kinda…

        • cichy1173@szmer.infoEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          In some way yes, but Docker is containerization engine, which can be used to selfhost stuff. Yunohost is special OS for selfhosting and only selfhosting. Apps installed using Yunohost are not containerized, and they are made for easy deployment.

  • ShinusTP@kbin.social
    2·
    1 year ago

    If I remember correctly, Yunohost does something similar, and it’s fairly easy to setup. Anyone with experience who can say something more about it?