You’re right, since the only two options are the destruction of the planet or to stop using literally anything ever at all, I guess I’ll fucking kill myself now

Yes? That’s why we’d have to go after the corporations, the problem arises at production. Truth is we’re overpopulated because of the bosch-haber cycle, which is fueled by fossil fuels.

The alternative is certain extinction

How about we lower our collective emissions by tossing you into a volcano, instead? Would you like that?

As a matter of fact they are not. Otherwise we would see a drastic shift in policy and voting behaviour, given how strongly the climate changed in the past decade. But instead people vote conservative and reactionary again, after they lost their homes in wildfires, floods and storms that can be reliably linked to climate change, and whose occurence renders their home area unliveable in the long run.

We had a flood two years ago in Germany killing over 200 people. Our former conservative party, now populist reactionary, removed a law for flood protection just two month prior to the devastating flood. And the people most affected voted for them again in the upcoming election. And that was after the parties chancellor candidate laughed heartily in the background while the president held a speech mourning the victims.

The people are either dumb, or ignorant or both. They’d rather die than change anything in the slightest way.

Go on Facebook and look for the comment section of news coverage on EVs or anything climate related. They are at most vaguely familiar with the issue, or deny it in some shape or form

I really disagree with this premise.

For example, where I’ve worked, I’ve generally found it easy to make improvements that solely benefit the environment, even though they are virtually always more expensive and carry no other advantages, and often additional disadvantages.

Since the more recent protests, though, and especially after we all nearly lost our jobs due to the antics of a handful of protestors, that support has just gone. Being greener is no longer and end unto itself, and people don’t want to either be seen as supporting their cause or ‘helping’ the people who cause real problems for everyday people.

It may not be logical, but even I am quieter about my environmentism because I don’t really want to be associated with people who proudly block ambulances and cause pain for thousands of regular people.

Because ultimately, nobody’s going to ‘just stop’. We’re not here due to the scheming of a few people, there are a lot of reasons oil is currently so ubiquitous, and fixing it is going to be a fairly gradual process. Fortunately, oil isn’t the only way we can fix emissions, and so progress over spans of a decade or two, when that progress is going in parallel, can yield dramatic results.

My concern is that antics like these are going to slow or even reverse some of the political will to suffer the short term pain required to make these changes as quickly as we need.

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folks need to start causing real, material damage to fossil infrastructure at the least

this wont stop unless the expenses of fossil fuels outweigh the profits, and people need to become those expenses

That’s a more ideal way of doing targeting big businesses and fossil fuel execs through peaceful forms of protesting a good example of this is how some people in London and Glasglow are protesting ULEZ by vandalising ULEZ cameras if your going protest make sure it doesn’t affect anyone in the general public

You do it then. Be the change you want to see in this world.

It still wouldn’t change anything, other then get more security and anonymity for their immediate replacements.

Yeah exactly, that would be protesting against the actual problem not jsut disrupting random shit

What a thing to cowardly type from behind your keyboard you wanker.

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Well There’s plenty of ways of protesting and getting the word out that don’t involve getting in the way or destroying/nicking property you can have peaceful demonstrations ideally populated like a city square where you and a massive crowd of people gather and make your voices heard im fairly certain that’s called a rally or you use art as a way of protesting graffiti etc you can also boycott a organisation or government institution and you can do a picket protest as well

You don’t. Protests happen all the time in the hundreds. How many have you heard of? I haven’t heard of any unless it gets violent. Unions strikes are disruptive so you hear about them. Cost of living marches walking past government buildings or protesting outside of them? Nothing.

Want to know the last march I heard about that was large and non disruptive? It was on a Youtube video. The youtubers didn’t even know it was happening.

Blocking a road is boring now so isn’t being reported as much, disrupting a gaming tournament gets news.

Rallies help don’t get me wrong but they are often ignored. The disruptive, novel protests get news coverage.

When did anyone destroy art with soup?

youre not a loser for playing video games, youre a loser for comparing a game showcase getting interrupted to stabbing someone, or implying that being okay with the first says anything about your opinion on the former

Every car that is on the road is contributing to the blocking of emergency vehicles. If we’d follow the demands of these groups it would make it much easier for emergency vehicles to respond to emergencies.

And which peace of art were actually damaged? Throwing soup on a washable glass pane cannot be considered damageing by all means, leaving aside the fact that the comparision to stabbing someone remains ridiculous

I understand why they are doing this and I support them. So, no. I do not think they’re shitheads. Only the people who sit in their warm home, in their comfort zone, going with the flow, calling other people shitheads.