I can tell you Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are not the same.
If anything, lemmy.ml is privacy/tech based more than anything, with disdain for capitalism.
They’re not hardcore “AYE, COMRADE” like hexbear or lemmygrad, Jesus christ
NO??? ml was the first general purpose instance and so had the most amount of users at the beginning, meaning a lot of normal communities developed there
There are communities around Lemmy dedicated to “just making lists” of leftists who also consider a middle school anarchist using an emote of Stalin as supporting genocide.
As far as I have been able to discern: a lot of reddit transplants got called nazis by established lemmy communities, so there’s kind of this whole weird internal Lemmy movement to try define ‘tankie’ as widely and negatively as ‘nazi’.
I mean, you’d think OP would know what instances they would want to block from, you know, using Lemmy. They seem to know what is ‘cringe’, but want or need that anti-leftist qualifier for good measure.
They definitely see it as an insult. Check the comment history and you’ll see there is no attempt at irony. Just an angry poster who’s fallen too deep into it.
If you go to very leftist areas of the internet (socialist or communist areas, anywhere from anarchistic (bottom left) to authoritarian (top left)) you’ll see people using liberalism by its political science definition, rather than the definition its taken on within American culture. It stems from the idea of capital moving freely (that is, liberally) without restrictions. You’ll also see it referred to as neoliberalism in the same spaces.
Full disclosure, I myself am pretty extremely socially libertarian (arguably borderline anarchistic), and have used liberal derogatively myself.
Gonna have to be that guy again, but underage cartoon porn is not CSAM. CSAM as a term was invented to help law enforcement focus their limited resources on actual child victims. Underage cartoons are still child pornography, and still wrong and illegal, but CSAM is something else and deserves more immediate action.
There’s no point in having technical terminology if it isn’t used correctly :o)
I don’t visit ani.social, a quick glimpse just now shows me a few Images that seem like borderline, but not straight-up “drawn sexualized child characters”. No idea how they usually are.
But from following the story, it seems pretty typical that even the lemmy.ml admins - who develop Lemmy as a whole - would do a defederation without a public transparent process or even a notification to the deferated instance. That’s straight up unpolite.
Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.
Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.
Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.
Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.
One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.
the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:
here’s one of your removed comments:
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Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by
TWeaK@lemm.ee
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
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TWeaK@lemm.ee
reason: convicted on purgery (malding over a comm ban :farquaad-point:)
Yes, that was shitty of me. It was a sarcastic comment against someone else (hence the :P), who also had their comments removed because they were behaving worse. But on Uplifting News, my comment really wasn’t appropriate regardless. I deserved to have those comments removed as well as the brief temporary ban there. That was good moderation.
However that has nothing to do with hexbear or anything we’re talking about here.
Focusing specifically on the comment I had removed from hexbear (quoted above), and the message I sent which led to the site ban (you can find that on Chapo from around that time), how was I being an asshole? How was my comment “genocide apologia” and how was I “malding” in the message?
I don’t think you can actually back that up with any sound reasoning. Hence, the moderators at hexbear are shit, which makes the place a dumster fire.
Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.
here’s one of your removed comments:
mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by TWeaK@lemm.ee
So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.
I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.
In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.
There is an active genocide happening, and I wish Israel would stop.
That doesn’t mean I agree with the coordinated strike by Hamas on 7 October. Frankly, I don’t think any reasonable person could see that as achieving any useful objective for the safety of Palestinian people. It was highly effective at killing Israelis, but the net result could only have been more suffering for Palestine.
There’s definitely no easy solution - if there was the problem would have been solved by now. All anyone can say is that what’s happening now is wrong. Meanwhile, there are many people profiting from the situation. Warmongers gotta monger some war.
My view is that Netanyahu wants to benefit from war, and that Hamas have been encouraged by people who want the same. 50 years isn’t all that long ago to most people, but hardly anyone in Palestine is old enough to remember the last Yom Kippur war.
Hamas is a creation of Israels own actions. They have a history of erratic behavior politically including fighting alongside ISIS. They are still the elected government such as it is. It’s absolutely sickening seeing comfortable westerners acting like they have some kind of right to pass judgment on people living in such a situation. They fight back however they can, and it’s not going to be pretty because war and colonial occupation is not clean.
There is a simple solution, but it would either require Israel to stop being an ethnostate or stop existing so that a government which represents everyone in occupied Palestine can exist.
And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.
I’m sorry, I’m confused. You said Lemmy.ml is run by the same people as Lemmygrad.ml but if you click either of those links, you can see the admin list. Not one user is the same. Do they have different accounts, or what? Do you have some kind of citation for this?
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I can tell you Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are not the same. If anything, lemmy.ml is privacy/tech based more than anything, with disdain for capitalism. They’re not hardcore “AYE, COMRADE” like hexbear or lemmygrad, Jesus christ
Theyre run and populated by the exact same people, bud
They are a little bit more mask on than mask off, but they are just as hardcore tankie because its literally the same people
NO??? ml was the first general purpose instance and so had the most amount of users at the beginning, meaning a lot of normal communities developed there
Don’t confuse the newbie who just got out of his Reddit bubble, he’s scared and alone
Right, keep pretending the admins arent the same. Blame reddit for your confusion over 2 servers being owned by the same people.
Surely you will look clever, and smart. No one will find you out
I don’t think they’re arguing that?
Oh good! Let’s trot out the condescension!
Your sense of entitled elitism does not redound to the quality of your character.
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“Newbie” is name calling???
there’s a lot of paranoia about some of the least threatening people I’ve ever encountered
There are communities around Lemmy dedicated to “just making lists” of leftists who also consider a middle school anarchist using an emote of Stalin as supporting genocide.
As far as I have been able to discern: a lot of reddit transplants got called nazis by established lemmy communities, so there’s kind of this whole weird internal Lemmy movement to try define ‘tankie’ as widely and negatively as ‘nazi’.
I mean, you’d think OP would know what instances they would want to block from, you know, using Lemmy. They seem to know what is ‘cringe’, but want or need that anti-leftist qualifier for good measure.
Okay, liberal.
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Genuine question, is that like supposed to be a legit insult or more ironic?
They definitely see it as an insult. Check the comment history and you’ll see there is no attempt at irony. Just an angry poster who’s fallen too deep into it.
If you go to very leftist areas of the internet (socialist or communist areas, anywhere from anarchistic (bottom left) to authoritarian (top left)) you’ll see people using liberalism by its political science definition, rather than the definition its taken on within American culture. It stems from the idea of capital moving freely (that is, liberally) without restrictions. You’ll also see it referred to as neoliberalism in the same spaces.
Full disclosure, I myself am pretty extremely socially libertarian (arguably borderline anarchistic), and have used liberal derogatively myself.
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wasn’t ml started by Dessalines/nutomic??
THAT makes sense why ani.social defederated from Lemmy.ml (I only subscribed to the anime instance since it had the largest user base)
Edit: the “.ml” anime instance is still the largest compared to everyone else. What a shame that we can’t move away from it
This was Ani’s side of the story: https://ani.social/comment/2199318
Lemmy.ml defederated from ani.social, pretty sure cuz the borderline pedo bait
Yep. Explicitly because of CSAM
Gonna have to be that guy again, but underage cartoon porn is not CSAM. CSAM as a term was invented to help law enforcement focus their limited resources on actual child victims. Underage cartoons are still child pornography, and still wrong and illegal, but CSAM is something else and deserves more immediate action.
There’s no point in having technical terminology if it isn’t used correctly :o)
Good point. Lemmy.ml admins said CSAM was the reason so just passing that along.
I don’t visit ani.social, a quick glimpse just now shows me a few Images that seem like borderline, but not straight-up “drawn sexualized child characters”. No idea how they usually are.
But from following the story, it seems pretty typical that even the lemmy.ml admins - who develop Lemmy as a whole - would do a defederation without a public transparent process or even a notification to the deferated instance. That’s straight up unpolite.
Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.
Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.
Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.
Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.
One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.
the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:
here’s one of your removed comments:
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
People finding out that their history of being an asshole is public information will never not be funny
Be specific, which part of that was me being an asshole?
This, nonchalantly being a prick
Yes, that was shitty of me. It was a sarcastic comment against someone else (hence the :P), who also had their comments removed because they were behaving worse. But on Uplifting News, my comment really wasn’t appropriate regardless. I deserved to have those comments removed as well as the brief temporary ban there. That was good moderation.
However that has nothing to do with hexbear or anything we’re talking about here.
Focusing specifically on the comment I had removed from hexbear (quoted above), and the message I sent which led to the site ban (you can find that on Chapo from around that time), how was I being an asshole? How was my comment “genocide apologia” and how was I “malding” in the message?
I don’t think you can actually back that up with any sound reasoning. Hence, the moderators at hexbear are shit, which makes the place a dumster fire.
Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.
So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.
It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.
I don’t care about your justification for both siding an ongoing genocide
I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.
In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.
There is an active genocide happening, and you are going “all lives matter” because the brown people are being violent and resisting.
There is an active genocide happening, and I wish Israel would stop.
That doesn’t mean I agree with the coordinated strike by Hamas on 7 October. Frankly, I don’t think any reasonable person could see that as achieving any useful objective for the safety of Palestinian people. It was highly effective at killing Israelis, but the net result could only have been more suffering for Palestine.
There’s definitely no easy solution - if there was the problem would have been solved by now. All anyone can say is that what’s happening now is wrong. Meanwhile, there are many people profiting from the situation. Warmongers gotta monger some war.
My view is that Netanyahu wants to benefit from war, and that Hamas have been encouraged by people who want the same. 50 years isn’t all that long ago to most people, but hardly anyone in Palestine is old enough to remember the last Yom Kippur war.
Hamas is a creation of Israels own actions. They have a history of erratic behavior politically including fighting alongside ISIS. They are still the elected government such as it is. It’s absolutely sickening seeing comfortable westerners acting like they have some kind of right to pass judgment on people living in such a situation. They fight back however they can, and it’s not going to be pretty because war and colonial occupation is not clean.
There is a simple solution, but it would either require Israel to stop being an ethnostate or stop existing so that a government which represents everyone in occupied Palestine can exist.
And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.
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I don’t think !pokemon@lemmy.ml is that toxic, or !linux_gaming@lemmy.ml, or !patientgamers@lemmy.ml
I always have my home to “Subscribed”, I see nothing really bothering me
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!patientgamers@sh.itjust.works is just as active
then subbing to ml as well will give you twice the activity
No, you just see everything twice.
I’m sorry, I’m confused. You said Lemmy.ml is run by the same people as Lemmygrad.ml but if you click either of those links, you can see the admin list. Not one user is the same. Do they have different accounts, or what? Do you have some kind of citation for this?
“ml” in both of these cases is supposed to mean “marxist-leninist”, always has been.
the difference is lemmy.ml is not a politics-focused instance