Somebody who was previously active on the kbin codeberg repo has left that to make a fork of kbin called mbin.

repo: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin

In the readme it says:

Important: Mbin is focused on what the community wants, pull requests can be merged by any repo member. Discussions take place on Matrix then consensus has to be reached by the community. If approved by the community, no additional reviews are required on the PR. It’s built entirely on trust.

As a person who hangs around in repos but isn’t a developer that sounds totally insane. Couldn’t someone easily slip malicious, or just bad, code in? Like you could just describe one cool feature but make a PR of something totally different. Obviously that could happen to any project at any time but my understanding of “code review” is to at least have some due diligence.

I don’t think I would want to use any kind of software with a dev structure like this. Is it a normal way of doing stuff?

Is there something I’m missing that explains how this is not wildly irresponsible?

As for “consensus” every generation must read the classic The Tyranny of Stuctureless. Written about the feminist movement but its wisdom applies to all movements with libertarian (in the positive sense) tendencies. Those who do not are condemned to a life of drama, not liberation.

  • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
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    1 year ago

    It is good to really see your true nature now. I’m also think the fork is the best thing that could have happened for the community. It’s a pity that you never started a conversation, but instead you still try to do mean things like this.

    • ernest@kbin.social
      5·
      1 year ago

      Oh c’mon, don’t be mad. It’s just a wrong sorting of posts, it’s in an edge case, and seriously it wasn’t intentional. I just wanted to check how such management looks in practice, how many merge accepts are needed, etc. I didn’t mean to do anything wrong that could cause harm. I even push the same code to my instance to facilitate your tests ;)

      But you’re right - that’s just my nature. I approach PR with very limited trust, whether they’re mine or from others.

      • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
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        1 year ago

        I know your approach on PRs. Hence the main reason of the fork. The community does believe in their people and the good in mankind. Only 1 approval is required from another maintainer for now. We are using C4 way of working.

        • ernest@kbin.social
          4·
          1 year ago

          I assure you that I didn’t intentionally push incorrect code into the repository. These were my first lines of code in a really long time. I simply got involved in other things that I wanted to finish first, and I noticed the edge case in the meantime, but it wasn’t a priority. I saw that you were syncing and I was hoping to benefit a bit from it once you fixed it. I didn’t expect the review to happen so quickly. By the way, I was genuinely curious about how this project management method works because, you know, I’ve always avoided such an approach. Merloy, you know how much I owe you, and I appreciate what you’ve done for the project, as well as the other Mbin contributors. Our overall visions haven’t always been the same, and I think it’s great that kbin has been forked. You see for yourself how my work looks until the release - there are many things I’ll be refining over time. That’s why I’ve put a hold on all other PRs, and now I want to focus on this.

          • BaldProphet@kbin.social
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            1 year ago

            @ernest @melroy
            lol this whole conversation is a microcosm of the open source community. I agree with ernest that forks are great and would add that they show that the open source system is working as intended.

            • TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org
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              1 year ago

              You are right. But was the whole debacle that lead to this fork being made worth it? Wouldn’t it have been much better if Ernest had just sorted out all himself and we’d all be working on the same project together now instead of introducing mistakes into forks too see what happens? What a complete waste of time, especially under the current circumstances.

      • density@kbin.socialOP
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        1 year ago

        @melroy I don’t think you can really be upset about anyone putting through bad code. According to the philosophy as I understand it, bad code (intentionally so or otherwise) is a useful contribution and you are basically soliciting it. You supposedly have some way other than code review to ensure nothing harmful gets through and it has to do with the reputation of the contributor. Since you already knew @ernest and clearly have a bad opinion of him, how did it happen?

        I did not and could not review the PRs themselves. So I am just going on the information as presented here. Sounds like @ernest put through some code (either into kbin or mbin not clear on that) which he knew was not 100% highest quality but which error was not critical or devastating. And that it could easily be found and fixed. Partially he did this to learn more about this governance model. A model which has apparently been developed in direct opposition to his own. Is it approximately accurate?

        If so, sounds a bit mischievous at the worst.

        I really can’t recommend Tyranny of Structurelessness highly enough.