Hi friend. There’s two ways to compare things together, using either a simile or metaphor. A simile uses “like” in the sentence to compare two things: hot dogs are like sandwichs. A metaphor is symbolic of something else, commonly also called hyperbolic communication: Elon needs to pull his head out of his ass.
What we have here is called a statement of fact. It is not a comparison to say that I’ve had both good days and bad days at my work. Do they have the same context (work)? Yes, but most people would compare their good days to other good days, and their bad days to other bad days. What I responded to is called a non-unique argument: i hope this is self explanatory. It is disengenuinous to say that jokes do not cause harm, when there are many types of jokes lead to additional harm through the normalization of stereotypes and rhetoric. In this case, the original commenter called out a joke that could potentially lead to harm
In this case, the original commenter called out a joke that could potentially lead to harm
How is this going to lead to harm?
And if you’re going to answer something like “oh they’re going to think we’re weird kiddie diddlers”, the only person who would look at a meme of someone saying that they want to look like an 18-ish anime girl (especially considering that OP may be around the same age range, for all you know) and conclude that trans people are weird kiddie diddlers … are the people who already hate trans people and will come up with other reasons no matter what we do.
My main argument is that “it’s just a joke” is bad and shouldn’t be used. It’s an extremely common right wing talking point used to excuse harmful rhetoric. In the eyes of the original commenter, they are calling out harm. I don’t necessarily agree with them. I’m just saying “it’s just a joke” is bad.
When one says something, there’s always some more information to be gleaned from context. Like yeah, I agree that some people use the phrase “it’s just a joke” to be a dipshit, but I’d only bring it up if there was someone is being a dipshit.
By bringing it up in that context, it’s giving an implication that you are agreeing with them, and it gives you the bonus of being able to wriggle out and go “oh actually I’m not on their side” once you get criticised.
What’s with people being unable to tell (or lying about) how old a character is? I’ve seen this so much on Reddit too where a character (such as here) has a developed body and someone thinks they’re like 7. There are plenty of real anime examples to use that are weird, so why make new ones up?
Wow ok as someone who doesn’t engage with anime much, some of you who’ve normalized the artstyle to yourself are blind about just how neotenous some anime characters are drawn to be
Is Rem one of those characters? She has breasts and wide hips that are visible in this image. I guess cute faces mean people are 9 now. You could have said 15 or something and I’d agree that’s understandable, but 9? C’mon lol
I’m sorry, I can’t post images bcs of a bug, but I urge you to google images 9 year old, 15 year old and 20 year old women and compare them with the pic in the meme… I don’t care much for what weebs use to signify age in anime characters because that’s a standard within an industry that heavily fetishises childish characteristics in women in general. If a sexualized character looks more like a real kid than a real woman, it’s a problem.
Also “she’s an older kid, c’mon” doesn’t help the case even a percentage point.
My initial point was that you either can’t tell her age or are lying about it. I still believe that to be true. Anyone being honest with themselves based on the entire character’s appearance would think she is a teenager or an adult. Saying she’s 9 ignores most of her appearance and is a warped viewpoint. So I don’t agree with you at all. And it’s pretty clear you’ll never agree with me.
pls pull up images of real people and compare. Alternatively show to people around you who don’t engage with anime stuff and ask them to estimate.
I get our standards are different bcs I don’t care for the artstyle (I also don’t know “the entire character’s appearance”, I see what’s in front of me), but you have to realise mine is prolly the majority viewpoint outside terminally online spaces - you can test that, do it.
Rem is 17-19. I think 9 was a bit of an exaggeration.
…but yeah, I’m not sure what’s up with the maid outfits. My honest thoughts, I think it stems from patriarchal ideas of what constitutes the core aspects of what it means to be a woman…an over sexualized cook and cleaner. A lot of trans women struggle with wanting any attention at all, even gross comments from misogynists because it validates their gender expression. It was covered in Pose (2018) pretty extensively for anyone wanting media that talks about the trans experience.
I don’t like the mini version “she’s one thousand years old in the lore, she just looks like a kid” tho. I know some of you that see art like this more regularily might not see this the same because of what you’ve self normalized, but that right there is a preteen with slightly exaggarated breasts, and adding boobs to a child doesn’t make fetishization of the other features of them any more exusable. (I know you aren’t saying it is btw, it’s a general statement)
holy shit what is it with some of yall and wanting to look 9 and dress in fetish maid outfits
please for the love of transness stop this, it makes me feel horrible about being trans when yall are like this
it’s a joke 💀
People joke about genocide and racism. “It’s a joke” is not a valid argument against criticism.
Are you actually comparing someone posting an anime girl to genocide and racism
Hi friend. There’s two ways to compare things together, using either a simile or metaphor. A simile uses “like” in the sentence to compare two things: hot dogs are like sandwichs. A metaphor is symbolic of something else, commonly also called hyperbolic communication: Elon needs to pull his head out of his ass.
What we have here is called a statement of fact. It is not a comparison to say that I’ve had both good days and bad days at my work. Do they have the same context (work)? Yes, but most people would compare their good days to other good days, and their bad days to other bad days. What I responded to is called a non-unique argument: i hope this is self explanatory. It is disengenuinous to say that jokes do not cause harm, when there are many types of jokes lead to additional harm through the normalization of stereotypes and rhetoric. In this case, the original commenter called out a joke that could potentially lead to harm
Hope this helped ❤️
How is this going to lead to harm?
And if you’re going to answer something like “oh they’re going to think we’re weird kiddie diddlers”, the only person who would look at a meme of someone saying that they want to look like an 18-ish anime girl (especially considering that OP may be around the same age range, for all you know) and conclude that trans people are weird kiddie diddlers … are the people who already hate trans people and will come up with other reasons no matter what we do.
My main argument is that “it’s just a joke” is bad and shouldn’t be used. It’s an extremely common right wing talking point used to excuse harmful rhetoric. In the eyes of the original commenter, they are calling out harm. I don’t necessarily agree with them. I’m just saying “it’s just a joke” is bad.
When one says something, there’s always some more information to be gleaned from context. Like yeah, I agree that some people use the phrase “it’s just a joke” to be a dipshit, but I’d only bring it up if there was someone is being a dipshit.
By bringing it up in that context, it’s giving an implication that you are agreeing with them, and it gives you the bonus of being able to wriggle out and go “oh actually I’m not on their side” once you get criticised.
You can see my response with the original commenter to see that I didn’t agree with them, posted before your first comment on this thread.
What’s with people being unable to tell (or lying about) how old a character is? I’ve seen this so much on Reddit too where a character (such as here) has a developed body and someone thinks they’re like 7. There are plenty of real anime examples to use that are weird, so why make new ones up?
Wow ok as someone who doesn’t engage with anime much, some of you who’ve normalized the artstyle to yourself are blind about just how neotenous some anime characters are drawn to be
Is Rem one of those characters? She has breasts and wide hips that are visible in this image. I guess cute faces mean people are 9 now. You could have said 15 or something and I’d agree that’s understandable, but 9? C’mon lol
I’m sorry, I can’t post images bcs of a bug, but I urge you to google images 9 year old, 15 year old and 20 year old women and compare them with the pic in the meme… I don’t care much for what weebs use to signify age in anime characters because that’s a standard within an industry that heavily fetishises childish characteristics in women in general. If a sexualized character looks more like a real kid than a real woman, it’s a problem.
Also “she’s an older kid, c’mon” doesn’t help the case even a percentage point.
My initial point was that you either can’t tell her age or are lying about it. I still believe that to be true. Anyone being honest with themselves based on the entire character’s appearance would think she is a teenager or an adult. Saying she’s 9 ignores most of her appearance and is a warped viewpoint. So I don’t agree with you at all. And it’s pretty clear you’ll never agree with me.
pls pull up images of real people and compare. Alternatively show to people around you who don’t engage with anime stuff and ask them to estimate.
I get our standards are different bcs I don’t care for the artstyle (I also don’t know “the entire character’s appearance”, I see what’s in front of me), but you have to realise mine is prolly the majority viewpoint outside terminally online spaces - you can test that, do it.
Rem is 17-19. I think 9 was a bit of an exaggeration. …but yeah, I’m not sure what’s up with the maid outfits. My honest thoughts, I think it stems from patriarchal ideas of what constitutes the core aspects of what it means to be a woman…an over sexualized cook and cleaner. A lot of trans women struggle with wanting any attention at all, even gross comments from misogynists because it validates their gender expression. It was covered in Pose (2018) pretty extensively for anyone wanting media that talks about the trans experience.
Yeah, I can see that for sure.
I don’t like the mini version “she’s one thousand years old in the lore, she just looks like a kid” tho. I know some of you that see art like this more regularily might not see this the same because of what you’ve self normalized, but that right there is a preteen with slightly exaggarated breasts, and adding boobs to a child doesn’t make fetishization of the other features of them any more exusable. (I know you aren’t saying it is btw, it’s a general statement)
That’s maybe something you should personally inspect, why? How does this reflect on you?