The trial has become something of a test of what happens when certain far-out strains of digital-age American radicalism collide with the criminal justice system.
It’s tough. He was radicalized, largely by YouTube, from what I’ve read. I don’t believe prison should be punitive, just rehabilitative. If he really can come to terms with his radicalization, I don’t see why he can’t come back to reality and contribute to society.
I would want him to be required to attend therapy and psychiatric evaluation for a while at minimum. Tendency to conspiratorial thinking is something people like that battle their whole lives.
I can agree with that. I have a friend who has a PhD in Administration of Justice, and having himself spent years in jail despite being innocent, he opened my eyes to the desperate need for prison reform (and why it works better than purely punitive prison, for most).
I think this is being blind to the scale of the issue.
The entire MAGA cult is as radicalized as this guy, some more, some less. But most probably as radicalized. There are maybe 1-3 million die-hards?
They successfully took the capitol in an attempted coup.
I’m sorry, but this sentiment of yours is misguided. He isn’t a one off. He’s part of a movement. We need to be considering this issue in a broader context.
He still needs to spend most of the rest of his life being “rehabilitated” in jail or in a psychiatric facility.
You don’t simply get to inflict a potentially lethal and disabling traumatic brain injury against someone and then get out of jail free because you’re “sorry” [that you got in trouble]. This man, and people like him, need to spend time away from society so that they can truly have time to process what they’ve done. Anything else would be an injustice to the victims.
Some brain injuries can lead to fates which are far worse than imprisonment or death; paralysis, inability to communicate, mental retardation, excrutiating and random neuropathic pain, and other things that have major implications for quality of life. And any person who would intentionally inflict such an injury on another person needs to go away for a long, long time.
I was taught growing up that we are ALL just 1 brain injury away from a drastically worse life, and it’s true.
It isn’t tough at all, of course he needs rehab and of course he needs to be segregated from society while he’s doing it.
What’s tough is that there is no such system that can do that. That is to say: the problem here isn’t anything to do with this particular case, and everything to do with the prison industrial complex.
Not punitive??? He hit Paul in the head with a goddamn hammer. The fuck are you talking about??
Yes, he absolutely needs rehabilitation before reentering society, but just because he was radicalized by watching YouTube doesn’t mean he should be excused for attempted deadly force.
I agree but it also should be protective. He did what he did and that should probably come with a very long probation once he’s out. It’s not enough to know better, we need to trust he’s able to function in the world without going back to radicalizing content even when triggered.
That’s how insanity pleas are supposed to work. You don’t go free, you just get locked up in a different place, and without a date set for your release.
Yeah that’s usually how insanity works. If you want to be free asap don’t plead insanity. What could’ve been over in a decade could easily be the equivalent of life probation if you’re ever deemed sane enough to be let out
Yeah that’s usually how insanity works. If you want to be free asap don’t plead insanity. What could’ve been over in a decade could easily be the equivalent of life probation if you’re ever deemed sane enough to be let out
If he’s too crazy to be guilty, then he’s too dangerous to be freed.
It’s tough. He was radicalized, largely by YouTube, from what I’ve read. I don’t believe prison should be punitive, just rehabilitative. If he really can come to terms with his radicalization, I don’t see why he can’t come back to reality and contribute to society.
I would want him to be required to attend therapy and psychiatric evaluation for a while at minimum. Tendency to conspiratorial thinking is something people like that battle their whole lives.
Oh yeah, I’m definitely not advocating for him to just get let loose on the streets. Just saying he doesn’t need to spend his whole life behind bars
I can agree with that. I have a friend who has a PhD in Administration of Justice, and having himself spent years in jail despite being innocent, he opened my eyes to the desperate need for prison reform (and why it works better than purely punitive prison, for most).
I think this is being blind to the scale of the issue.
The entire MAGA cult is as radicalized as this guy, some more, some less. But most probably as radicalized. There are maybe 1-3 million die-hards?
They successfully took the capitol in an attempted coup.
I’m sorry, but this sentiment of yours is misguided. He isn’t a one off. He’s part of a movement. We need to be considering this issue in a broader context.
He still needs to spend most of the rest of his life being “rehabilitated” in jail or in a psychiatric facility.
You don’t simply get to inflict a potentially lethal and disabling traumatic brain injury against someone and then get out of jail free because you’re “sorry” [that you got in trouble]. This man, and people like him, need to spend time away from society so that they can truly have time to process what they’ve done. Anything else would be an injustice to the victims.
Some brain injuries can lead to fates which are far worse than imprisonment or death; paralysis, inability to communicate, mental retardation, excrutiating and random neuropathic pain, and other things that have major implications for quality of life. And any person who would intentionally inflict such an injury on another person needs to go away for a long, long time.
I was taught growing up that we are ALL just 1 brain injury away from a drastically worse life, and it’s true.
So put him in prison with nothing but NPR and PBS to rehabilitate him?
It isn’t tough at all, of course he needs rehab and of course he needs to be segregated from society while he’s doing it.
What’s tough is that there is no such system that can do that. That is to say: the problem here isn’t anything to do with this particular case, and everything to do with the prison industrial complex.
Ok, and the 5-10 million other people that are as radicalized/ if not more radicalized?
DO they get a pass because they ‘live in alternative reality’?
They would gas people they don’t approve of. This isn’t fucking around.
Not punitive??? He hit Paul in the head with a goddamn hammer. The fuck are you talking about??
Yes, he absolutely needs rehabilitation before reentering society, but just because he was radicalized by watching YouTube doesn’t mean he should be excused for attempted deadly force.
The obsession with being punitive is why we have the plurality of the world’s prisoners. Something like 1 in 4 prisoners are in the USA.
I agree but it also should be protective. He did what he did and that should probably come with a very long probation once he’s out. It’s not enough to know better, we need to trust he’s able to function in the world without going back to radicalizing content even when triggered.
That’s how insanity pleas are supposed to work. You don’t go free, you just get locked up in a different place, and without a date set for your release.
Yeah that’s usually how insanity works. If you want to be free asap don’t plead insanity. What could’ve been over in a decade could easily be the equivalent of life probation if you’re ever deemed sane enough to be let out
Yeah that’s usually how insanity works. If you want to be free asap don’t plead insanity. What could’ve been over in a decade could easily be the equivalent of life probation if you’re ever deemed sane enough to be let out