• BaroqueInMind@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Similar to nuclear proliferation, it doesn’t matter if you don’t like nukes because if your neighbor simply has only one of them, then they can leverage it to force you to do things against your own interests with the threat of your complete destruction.

    Your recourse is to bend over and let them fuck you, or build/buy your own nukes to deter them bullies. Pandora’s box is open; guns are necessary and are never going away. Either you arm up the helpless to allow them to speak at equal footing using them as deterrence or let them slowly and eventually be destroyed by the growing intolerant majority.

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      11 months ago

      So everyone just gets guns? I should carry a gun with me at all times and live in fear of my neighbor? This is an absurd viewpoint, guns don’t deter shit, if someone wants to shoot me, owning a gun won’t stop them. Nuclear deterrence doesn’t work with gun ownership because if I own a gun, and you shoot me, I’m not shooting back because I’m dead.

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        11 months ago

        If all your neighbors have guns, you might want to get one too, or you’re at a disadvantage when they gang up to kill you.

        That’s why it’s like nuclear proliferation.

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          11 months ago

          Why would they need to gang up to kill me? They have guns, they can kill me damn near instantly even if I have a gun myself

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        11 months ago

        This.

        Gun fetishists live in this wild west fantasy where someone planning on shooting is going to slowly and deliberately approach while announcing their intentions so you can respond and have a showdown ensuring only the gunliest gunner wins. If somebody’s going to shoot you, you’re just going to get shot - probably before you’re even aware, or at least without sufficient preparation time to grab your gun or pull your gun and aim.

        These people just tell themselves fairy tales to justify their hoarding.

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        11 months ago

        Pretty much yes. Literally the only reason you live in a peaceful society is because you have delegated all violence to a specific group of people and armed them to ensure everyone follows the rules: it’s fucking called law enforcement.

        The cops are allowed the monopoly of all violence; if you need help, you call them because they have guns and can compel people (i.e. criminals) to do things by leveraging this fact, otherwise no one will listen to them.

        Do you seriously trust ALL cops to all maintain the idea that all gays and trans people deserve life? Most of them would not mind if society leaned extreme right and imprisoned all the “undesirables”. You are fucking delusional to put all your trust into them.

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          11 months ago

          Basically this, people should consider disarming when the police and military do as well

          Until then, nobody should have a pure monopoly on violence

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          I don’t trust a single cop, but I also don’t trust many people to be allowed to have guns either. If you look at countries where guns are not readily available there is much less gun crime, and any guns that people get are coming from the US because we hand them out basically for free. If the US has stricter gun control it would most likely lower gun crime around the world even.

          Edit: another thing I want to mention, I don’t call cops if it can be at all avoided precisely because they do carry guns. Once you I produce a gun into a situation, it becomes instantly more dangerous and unless it is something like a mass shooting or a violent robbery I’m not gonna call the cops for shit.