Maybe all of those in favor of the protests kept their word and only those who are against it remain?
I don’t miss Reddit. I checked some comment sections and holy hell is it toxic compared to here. I think part of that is because of what you’ve mentioned in your comment.
I used to work for this major company, biggest in my country by far.
Whether it was going well or poorly, they tended to offer severance packages to “cut back” on their staff, to appease the grotesquely overpaid consultants that analysed their finances.
What tended to happen, was that the most qualified people, who had no issues finding another job (often better paying), took those packages (I took home a one year salary after having worked there almost three, then had two months vacation and started a better paying job), which left those who didn’t really have other options, those who did the bare minimum and had a lot of useless meetings.
I guess that’s what reddit is heading for. They are alienating those who contribute the most, the content creators, the mods and the ones who like to engage others. They will be left with their bots, lurkers, racists, reposters and porn-spammers.
Good riddance.
Completely agree. I’m kinda hoping the substance of reddit just moves to lemmy and none of us will have to deal with so many tools and trolls.
The trash will still escape Reddit. As evidenced by my being here :)
Aww, but you’re a loveable trash, just like us. 🥰
Trash gang unite!
The very minor and surmountable technical barrier of joining the fediverse will do wonders to screen out users capable only of the lowest effort.
It’s really nice to have this “filter” of a complexity because many people who do that low effort stuff don’t want to put effort in even trying to learn a new system (geschweige denn) one of the complexity of the fediverse. If you are ready to go through the process of undertsanding the system you are most likely a valuable part of the community
I also think the Advertising subs don’t care much. You know the ones that are content rich from the posters but actually modded by the organisation the sub is for.
For example /r/razer mods being linked to taking bribes and specific subs dedicated to a brand.
They have nice communities but they’ll stay.
Good for you! I recently changed jobs to a more stable position after asking for years to be put on full time staff at my old one. Once they filled a position with an outside hire instead of bringing me on full time, I knew it was the end of the road. Now I get paid almost twice as much plus amazing benefits to do about half the work.
holy hell is it toxic compared to here
I cannot agree more! I went to reddit (wirhour an acc) and just… wow. Did it got worse or was I always blind to how awful that place was?
I think you are seeing some withdrawal symptoms honestly. People are addicted to scrolling for their next dopamine hit. When that’s taken away they get cranky. Add the anonymous nature of being online and things get toxic real fast.
I think you are exacly right.
Cranky
is the best word to describe it and your explanation as to the reasons sounds reasonable. I believe that people will also get more frustrated when they notice less quality posts and comments…
I was IP banned from Reddit so I only got to use it without an account for the last few months. It’s very toxic. The front page (not logged in) is so fucked.
I don’t miss Reddit.
How’d you manage to get IP banned??
Damn, i want that too
I’ll be real. I miss it for very specific subs. It’s definitely more toxic but small game subs and stuff like that I miss
Poke back and encourage mod teams to move here.
That’s not a bad idea
I miss my smaller and niche subs. I don’t think I’ve waded into the default subs in a very long time.
Oh well, to everything there is a season, right?
Ever tried having a discussion in any of the default subs? If your opinion differentiates from the hivemind you will be downvoted as spam, without any responses. It completely defeats the purpose of a “discussion”
I don’t see his it won’t happen here. The vote structure is very similar.
Not getting negative Karma helps I think.
karma gamification is pure, unadulterated evil.
Yeah that is true, but it wasn’t as bad on reddit back in the day (as far as I remember), it seems to have happened after reddit went super-mainstream a few years ago. So I am hoping lemmy will be like that until it “potentially” becomes super popular lol
What if Lemmy becomes so successful and then it gets acquired by Reddit? Lol.
Think of the big corps like Google, Facebook, etc. buying the competitors for their products.
Then you can move to another instance or host your own. They can’t buy them all up.
Lmfao, imagine some corpo trying to buy up all the instances one by one while the users all migrate out of the instance immediately when that happens. That would be hilarious.
The federated decentralized nature of Lemmy and it being open-source means that when this happens the users laugh at whoever paid for an instance and celebrate whoever got the bag and all migrate to a new instance.
See AdBlock -> AdBlock + -> Ublock -> Unlock Origin for a story of idiot capitalists donating massive sums of money only to buy a product that is quite literally drop-in replaceable by design… and Lemmy makes this process even easier than that.
I miss Apollo. Turns out Reddit itself was highly replaceable.
Could not agree more with you. This has been a very positive experience and has really add transitioning away from Reddit a smooth experience
It’s getting really bad. I’m noticing there being a lot of comments in subs where there barely were any and any mention of the blackout and what might happen after the 30th is met by tons of downvotes and removal. Tinfoil hat but it feels like there are bots making these bad faith comments.
Considering Spez once edited another user’s comments, I would not put that tinfoil hat theory past him.
I think this might actually be the case. Let’s see how things work out. Lemmy surprised me as a proper alternative it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment. Something about chickens and eggs.
Let’s just expand and improve it further than the original lemmies did. Don’t be afraid to post content, heck scrape content and make this the better option. People will follow content.
I’d like to add that there’s already been a significant increase in the amount of content and comments in just the last few days. I joined a whole 5 days ago (so many ages ago, I know) and back then it was somewhere between 1 and 2k users on this instance. It was way emptier - you could read all of the posts in most of the “big” communities in an hour or so. And the new feed was pretty stale.
Lemmy’s not the firehose of content that is Reddit yet, but it’s making real progress.
Like I normally don’t post, but I’ve started even making root posts in different groups.
it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment
This can change fast.
You should’ve seen it two weeks ago.
It looks like it already is!!
I just switched over to lemmy from reddit, and it is much nicer here isn’t riddled with ads and toxicity. I just hope that more users do join over here, since there were a few subreddits/people I followed and would still like to see there updates/posts
Might have to create some of those subs yourself. But yeah, getting the userbase up might be a struggle for a bit.
Literally. The people in favor of the protests are… Protesting! Everybody else doesn’t care.
There’s something to that. Hearing stories of subreddits reopen and ask the userbase what they want to do, well, who exactly are they asking? I’m not there, and I’ve seen plenty of posts from others who are also not there. Are they taking silence as votes against? I doubt it.
I’m going to go back to reddit for a bit, but only to encourage mod teams to setup shop here.
and you know what? I am happier to be around people that keep their word.
tbats one of the reasons we are all (still) here. these are the people we want to be with.
Hopefully the content submitters and mods also already migrate.
That will hurt reddit more than just the lurkers, I think.
I just promised that I won’t use reddit on my phone after the 30.6.2023
I think this is mostly what’s goin on. Also I’d be pretty surprised if reddit didn’t have it’s own astroturfing force that accounted for a chunk of this backlash.
As hopeful as that take may sound, it is just not something that I can observe as true.
This post is evaluating the next steps for the protest and currently sits at 800 comments. Of those, the majority, be it a vocal minority or not, is heavily against the continuation of the protest. They are vocally stating their mind that the protest harms the community, is an abuse of power, and more than simply not wanting it to continue, they want others to know that it shouldn’t have started at all. I find it disheartening to read, but honestly, it’s a gaming community, I kind of see it as expected, awful and immature people is the norm.
But, let’s assume that the people who do agree just left, then, right? The loudest are are always the angry people, and the content ones stay quiet. I can make that assumption and look around for them then.
Except, the local alternative here is completely deserted.Putting aside unverfiable places like Twitch, I go and prod other established websites. Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Discord, Steam, even /vg/… Everywhere dedicated to the game that I check, there’s no noticeable uptick of people. I can’t find people looking to actively talk the game except on other communities within reddit. /r/LearnDota2 and /r/TrueDota2 got more threads than usual. Those people making the comments are frustrated, but the ones that supposedly aren’t and are willing to browse around are just… Either still on Reddit, or completely Missing. They didn’t go to an alternative community and aren’t participating and building a new space. They’re just sitting and waiting for their existing space back.
I guess I’ll have to wait 2 days to find out if they actually just went out and touched some grass, or if the majority is spiteful of this move and everyone sees reddit as their one and only solution.
I honestly, genuinely think that a “No Moderation” protest would go down better than a “Blackout” one. Some people have no idea the impact the loss of the API will have on their lives and even actively suck reddit’s corporate dick defending them, saying it only costs 24 cents to have moderation bots working (ignoring the setup for those moderation apps, while in the same breath saying reddit costs money to run). They need to see what value they’re losing.
This comment is incorrect as well.
The people that cared left and what’s left behind is people that wouldn’t leave anyway and the strike only bothers them.
This person is living in a bubble and can’t see further than their nose.
Survivorship bias!
Absolutely agree.
I believe this was reddit’s intention at least in part. People who care were also those constantly exposing their anti-consumer practices and greedy policies. I’m inclined to believe the administration will be pretty glad, at least for a while, that those who get what’s happening are gone.
we have had the first wave - and its gone well. second wave is incomming on or about the 30th - probably smaller, but no less committed (long term). after that its a war of attrition.
unrelated to your comment (sorta), but I just saw your comment update in real time after you edited it. I just thought that’s a really cool feature and wanted to point it out :)
realtime comment subscriptions are pretty damn slick.
I believe this will be gone very soon though once they remove websockets
AFAIK this is true. But expect the site stability to be improved as a result.
Ok that’s pretty neat.
While it is neat I don’t see it offering a good user experience.
The reason this shouldn’t be in here, in a forum platform, is that if you go to the front page and try to read
newit keeps bouncing up and down because it’s constantly updating.Ohh wow. Just logged into the desktop site. Even browsing Hot it bounces around. That’s not good. I’ve been using Jerboa app and it’s been fine.
Theres already a github issue about this. Think the lemmy devs are on top of fixing it soon.
Yup, it will be interesting to see what happens when the moderation really starts to suffer and subs are more and more full of ads, spam, trolls, and other kinds of problems.
I think the 30th will be smaller, but the ones who do participate will be more likely to go indefinite as users who just can’t stand the official app are forced to quit.
Then the third wave when they finally kill off old.reddit.com
yes. forgot about old! that may pull in the remainder of the old guard and could be a damn big event. I am now thinking that the reddit overlords may hold this one off as long as possible. exciting times.
You know I see that a lot of people love old reddit. I was a fan of it 10 years ago. When it switched to the modern layout, I think I was kind indifferent at first. But trying to go back to it after all these years, it seems like a downgrade in many ways. I guess I’m not seeing what they’re seeing lol.
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Yep, I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about the wave coming at the end of the month. We’ll see plenty more people then.
You say smaller, but I’m thinking a lot of people will realise that their clients actually don’t work anymore on that date 😂
Yeah I think they’re underestimating how many people just won’t use the official app. The people who use Apollo, RiF, Relay, etc. are pretty attached.
I know for me reddit is just the app on my phone that I press when I’m bored now. I figured when the app doesn’t work anymore I’ll just find entertainment elsewhere, which is how I found the fediverse. Now that I’m here the whole concept of decentralized interconnected communities has totally sold me on the project.
The problem with reddit, Twitter, twitch, etc. as I see it is that they’re all just trying to profit off their users somehow. That’s not conducive to fostering healthy communities of people. I think this whole thing is the future of social networking, take the big corps out of the equation.
micro, small, large… whatever size the next wave is, lemmy has passed its first real test. I have a feeling we are going to be pretty well prepared for whatever comes next.
Yeah, I’m sure it’ll die down more once the third party apps shut down. I wonder how many people are in it for the social aspect of Reddit anymore anyway, or if it isn’t just a constant scroll and upvote thing.
The fediverse is the way. I’m not smart enough to say if it’s the best option, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a profit driven monolith run by out of touch investors. Reddit won’t implode but it won’t be the same as it was even a week ago. This decentralized structure is what the internet wants to be.
The fediverse has one thing going for it that any other alternative lacks: a credible approach to dealing with the network effect. In isolation, it is very difficult to start an independent social media website. This becomes much, much easier when you have neighboring sites that you can interact with. Federation serves as a catalyst. I’ve been longing for the proliferation of open source social media for over 15 years. Nothing has changed the state of affairs more thoroughly than the introduction of federation.
this comment strikes home so much.
the depression I have felt watching the internet devolve into a swamp of corporate silos and ads has been physically tangible. a mass exodus to federated social is the revolution I hoped would happen 10 years ago.
its late, but the wound has been opened on the giant and its bleeding.
One way I’m looking at this opportunity is like email, anyone can set up an email server thanks to how it got established. So if this pans out and eventually we get funded hosts in the vein of Gmail and Hotmail, who spend money writing fancy UIs and on marketing, we still have a fundamental base where we can shuffle away from the big players and go set up our own servers.
I do hope to see some funded options come into this space, they can control/own their interface into the data, but they can’t control/own the data.
as long as we are vigilant for the microsoft method of embrace, extend, extingush/enshittify we will be good.
I look forward to the day of Lemmy IE6 with custom activex features.
How would that realistically happen on Lemmy?
Server costs, lawyers, management will add up eventually. Ads or other financial incentives will take part in this at some point. The biggest instance, which will have the most funding, could monopolize by defederating others. Though with future account portability it could be made impossible. As in if reddit was the instance, most communities and users would seamlessly move over to others. But right now the risk is real.
Beehaw just defederated lemmy.world and users have to either move with the bigger fediverse of lemmy.world or stay confined to their isolated instance.
Why did beehaw defederate?
Too few moderators, poor modding tools, no backchannel to original instance, overwhelming amount of users from big instance.
New to the fediverse, I notice I can still access my beehaw.org subs. Does defederating mean that users on that instance can’t see out? Or does it just delist everything, but you can access other communities if you know the address?
I’m brand new to the fediverse concept so funded hosting hadn’t occurred to me. Yeah, let the big boys throw some money at it and we reap the benefits!
It’s certainly the best option that currently exists at least.
There’s also a non-zero chance this is astroturfing by Reddit itself as part of Damage Control SOP.
(For that matter, this instance would seem more along the lines of a weaponized “backdraft”, IMHO. A rather simple way to turn the subs against their mods to crank up the heat, eh?)
It’s either fediverse or nostr. But nostr is more twitter-like than reddit-like and is filled with cryptobros so no thanks no
filled with cryptobros
Ah, so it’s terrible.
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What?
I think people are seeing Reddit as their only solution right now due to the lack of awareness of this place. It’s been a bit sad to see all the news articles written about the event but very few plugs for alternate options to visit.
investor class protectng its latest cash-cow.
Lazy people fearing change is more like it. I’m waiting to see if capitulation occurs. If things don’t get fixed by month end I’ll zero my main account and walk away.
I just wonder if all the anti Lemmy posts I’ve seen have been Reddit employees
Funny you mention that, I found out about Lemmy specifically from a dude who was being downvoted to hell for even mentioning it as an alternative. So glad I decided to look into it I love this place and the whole idea of the fediverse in general.
Probably written by AI even. Trolls can do that now.
there has been quite a bit of this - in many venues. I have been involved in so many firefights involving bullshit “what-a-bout”-isms and strawman ideological stupidity that I have wondered how much astroturfing and sock-puppetry was going on. now I suspect there was quite a bit.
I understand that the fediverse isn’t the most intuitive thing to understand, and that many people won’t immediately understand it, but I’ve seen so many comments saying that it’s too confusing (even in response to direct links to instances with the simplest explanations). There has to be an astroturfing campaign of some kind going on
I’ve been telling people, the only way this works is if communities migrate somewhere else. Every single blacked out subreddit needs to post their new location on a site other than Reddit. Otherwise people will just stay on Reddit and wait or visit/make new subreddits.
It’s nice how many threads I actually open to read the comments on here, on Reddit I regularly scrolled past 20 or more posts before finding something interesting again, on lemmy it’s every 2nd thread or more
This has been my experience as well. I would venture into Reddit comment sections sparingly. It’s not like you find a lot of quality discussion in there anyway. Just rehashed jokes, puns, and comments aimed at appealing to the audience to earn more points. I spend way more time in the comments here. I’m just trying to shake the lurker mentality and get back into contributing.
I used Reddit because I was bored and watching tv. I barely interacted. I am interacting on Lemmy. There was a lot of angry, toxic people on Reddit. So I am glad they are staying there
Man, this is true. So far my experience has been less stressful and more wholesome on the fediverse. It feels more like Reddit from 8 years ago than modern, angry Reddit.
Honeymoon period
and you can potentially replicate that honeymoon period on a wide variety of instances and local communities, each with their own vibe.
And here your one voice can have an impact on a mag or community. Your contributions can grow a community, and change how it feels.
On Reddit, even a small community is 10,000+ members, your voice is drowned out by thousands of others, your contribution is barely registered.
You just made me realize I’ve been sitting here for two hours in a now-dark room and I haven’t turned the TV on yet. Fediverse truly is like the old reddit.
My fediverse experience got much calmer after joining an instance that blocks some problematic instances as well. I recommend beehaw.org to everyone.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about survivorship bias as well. If all the people who supported the blackout left Reddit, then the only people left would be the ones who aren’t in favour :)
This is a very good perspective. I haven’t been on Reddit since the blackout started. Probably would have gone back as well but the AMA comments were the final straw for me.
Honestly Spez’s attitude in general towards the entire community is what drove me away. I don’t really care that much about the 3rd party apps personally. I do use one occasionally, but I primarily use the website. However, I don’t think the users, mods and developers are being unreasonable here in what they’re asking for and he basically just spat in their faces, lied to and about them, and then pretended he was willing to discuss and work with them while his actions pretty clearly showed that he actually had no intention whatsoever of actually doing anything of the sort.
If you’re not willing to budge, just say that. Don’t lie to my face while very clearly doing the exact opposite of what you’re saying. If you don’t want 3rd party apps anymore, just say that instead of promising to work with developers and then basically giving them the middle finger when they try to communicate with you about it. That sort of thing shows exactly what he thinks of the community that has built his company for him and that’s the reason he can shove what’s left of reddit right up his ass as far as I’m concerned.
I checked it this morning, it just doesn’t have the same appeal anymore. Being pushed to investigate other avenues does carry the risk to make you realize there are other avenues :).
Personally I ran the Power Delete Suite (https://codepen.io/j0be/full/WMBWOW/ ) and removed my account. I can’t vote anymore.
I’ve installed a Firefox Plugin that redirects reddit links to the cached archive.org version (https://lemmy.world/post/146892 ) so that I won’t accidently visit reddit.comHumans just keep forgetting that in all areas of life. Yeah champ, this 70 year old made it from rags to riches, but there is a good chunk not making it to half of that for many reasons.
I don’t understand. Maybe it’s my adhd and lack of object permanence, but I have been so unbothered by the lack of Reddit.
I bought a plant today. I’ve never bought a plant. I bought cats before buying a houseplant. I’m pretty stoked—and it’s mostly because I was scrolling through Reddit that I got up to do it.
I signed up to Lemmy like 4 months ago and dropped off due to a lack of users. I’m enjoying it a lot more now with all the reddugees around.
I like “Reddugees”. Rexit is real.
Hell yes. Keep up that momentum!
I’m about a half inch from dropping Lemmy here too.
Pick up aviation in the time I’d save.
But. I feel like I’ll just pick Reddit up again to fill voids
Just in case it comes up, bitter apple spray works great if said cats decide to chew on your new plant.
Honestly reddit quality has degraded greatly in the last few years. I blame it on commercial propaganda (half of the posts are shilling something or karma farming) and original content being punished by auto moderator.
This person can suck it. I was a big time Reddit fan (mostly a lurker) but I decided to continue my boycott of Reddit as long as u/spez is in play and even when he leaves they would need to do a lot to get me to go back. The Fediverse still has some work to do with QoL features but overall it is a less toxic world than Reddit and refreshing to take part in. When mlem and other phone apps really get going I think it will really attract a lot more users as a lot of folks are phone only users and we’ll see the Fediverse really take hold.
I’ve gotten death threats, Reddit cares message, and all kinds of hate mail for saying my sub should stay restricted. And I only have 167k people subbed. It’s intense
Do you think its brigading or do you think its a bunch of the vocal users from your reddit
I mean it could be either but I’m thinking it’s more vocal users. I did check a few of the messages out and the extra mean ones appear to just be trolls in general judging by the comments.
You can report the malicious reddit cares message and get the reporting user banned.
I did report it. I’m not sure sure if I’ll hear back or not
I knew a lot of people would follow spez and toe the company line, just like they did with Twitter. I don‘t mind, I‘d rather hang out here without all them anyway.
Personally, I like the Lemmy community better. It’s definitely possible to find great stuff on reddit (and in particular for news, I think reddit is superior to what I’ve been finding on Lemmy), but the overall ratio of content : crap is much, much higher here.
Now that I’ve broken the seal, I honestly am not sure what people are going back to so eagerly on reddit. Maybe just the dopamine of lots and lots of stories and comments to interact with, or maybe they’re part of something I don’t interact with there.
There are a lot of subreddits for specific tv shows or games. Ngl that’s the biggest temptation for me. There are shows that I’m obsessed with that no one else in my life has the same love for, and Reddit is the only place I can talk to anyone about them. Sad to let that go.
Yah, I get that. You could start a community here and wait for it to form up and interact, and do reddit in the meantime (or forever if the community stays on reddit forever)… I actually don’t agree that “we” have to “win” by “punishing” reddit for their bad behavior towards the mods and app developers. It just comes down to what platform you want to be on to interact I think.
Hobbies too, especially more obscure ones. I’m really missing the journal/planner subs.
I knew I’d be tempted to go back, though, so I deleted my 13year old account. No regrets and I’m not signing up again. I just hope that my little communities find their way into the fediverse soon.
It’s a matter of number of users. The big subs on reddit just have too many people that it just becomes toxic and a circlejerk. The biggest communities here are very nice.
The niche hobby/gaming/tv subs on reddit on the other hand have enough people to have interesting discussion on the topic. There’s not enough people on Lemmy to find enough like minded people on niche interests.
Assuming that this is an inevitable trade-off, I wouldn’t mind if Lemmy never attracts the number of users like reddit does.
I noticed that. I have been really had made a comment saying something along the lines of me disagreeing with mods going public after only 2 days and got downvoted like crazy but not three days ago it would of been the other way. Just honestly done with that site anyway so going to download wikis from the subs that come back and be done with it.
I guess it might be because those of us who actually do support the blackout tries to keep staying away until things changes, while a lot of the people on Reddit right now have been content starved for a few days and just waited for the subs to open again (and thus does not want to see them shut down again).
Personally I quite like it here on the fediverse and am not in any way in a hurry to go back to Reddit any time soon.
The same thing happened to me. Even got called “fucking stupid.” That was my impetus for nuking my account once and for all. All that’s left on the site are the normies who don’t care about what’s going on. I miss reddit from 2010. Lemmy is like what Reddit used to be and I’m loving it. I just hope the same thing doesn’t happen here.
My favorite part of Lemmy is the decided lack of spam and bots so far.
I was one of those guys that browsed r/all on the regular. Just so, so sick of the constantly reposted content and the same same jokes on every thread.
It’s not all bad of course, and there are still great discussions. But harder and harder to find.
I’ve been on reddit almost not at all starting this week. Glad I’m scrolling less out of boredom
I have noticed this so much today. I pretty much lived in r/hockey for the past 5 years. They had a vote and decided to black out for the 48 hour protest. Once it was clear that the vote was in favor of blacking out (and that the championship deciding game could be played during the blackout), people started pleading to move the blackout to after the championship was decided, which completely defeats the purpose of the protest.
Well, during the blackout, the championship was decided. Now that it’s open again, everyone is again flipping out about how pointless the protests were, and how we ruined their experience of watching the championship game.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I generally watch hockey because I like watching hockey. I feel like you might have a social media addiction if not being able to browse reddit ruins the experience. Crazy stuff.
Yeah, I don’t mind checking into match threads now and then, but I don’t get the people that constantly monitor them, especially in the larger threads where you can barely discuss anything.
It reminds me of people that sit on their phones while watching a TV show/movie. Just defeats the point.
And that was a crazy game, too!
“I’ll stand by you no matter what”
“Wait, I didn’t realize that I’d be sacrificing as well”
Standard motto today with people.
