• Chainweasel@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Yeah, I don’t understand hating Biden for something that Netanyahu is doing. And there’s only so much Biden could do other than try to play peacekeeper, which he’s been doing. Pretty much any other actions require congressional support. Biden isn’t a king, he can’t unilaterally declare that we’re ending all support for Israel.
    And yet an insane number of people act like he’s over there killing Palestinians with his bare hands.

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      10 months ago

      I know this sounds crazy, but he could not sell them weapons. He is directly supporting what is happening there by doing so.

      Call back carrier groups, stop selling weapons, and let them deal with their own fucking problems that they caused

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          10 months ago

          I mean how many genocides did he do?

          Fuck that stupid blowhard, but at least his genocides are only potential futures, Biden is locked in already at 1

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            10 months ago

            What a simply mornonic take. Trump literally tried to pull out of NATO, and he would kill support for Ukraine. There’s your genocide. Oh, and he wouldn’t handle the Palestine situation any differently, so make that 2.

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                10 months ago

                Did you forget him putting kids in cages? I would also argue that getting Roe v Wade overturned is going to lead to the deaths of many women. But no point in arguing with you since you can’t seem to admit what a danger to the world Trump will be.

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                  Did you forget him putting kids in cages?

                  You mean the policy the Biden admin has continued to uphold and has considered making even more restrictive as a political negotiating tool? No, I remember quite well.

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                  10 months ago

                  Biden continued that policy and I believe even increased it.

                  Trump is a fucking something, but Biden is not the messiah you pretend him to be.

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                    10 months ago

                    I don’t consider him a messiah by any means and would prefer a much more left-leaning candidate. That being said, I’m being realistic in that not voting for Biden is essentially helping Trump.

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      10 months ago

      Not to mention Israel is absolutely the most important ally we have in the middle east. As lovely as it would be to openly shit on them and Saudi Arabia for being inhumane jerks, we just don’t have that option. The second we alienate Israel is the second WWIII becomes virtually inevitable. Biden’s choosing between shitty options and shittier options, and like it or not, we need foreign allies in strategic locations, especially since Pax Americana is rapidly collapsing.

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        If we helped set up a two state solution then we’d have another ally over there. Hell, if we had a one state solution, we’d have one more ally and one less genocidal apartheid state to leash. And tbh, it’s probably better we’re not over there fucking things up anymore.

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          10 months ago

          I agree, and to be perfectly honest it’s maddening to see that we had SO many generations to make the 2-state solution happen and they’re still stuck in a bloodthirsty morass. I don’t disagree that there are certain benefits to not being the world’s police anymore, not least of which is avoided exhaustion from the ongoing moral hypocrisy, but I can assure you there are very real costs, too. We might not actually like a world with someone else as the police force, and by the time that happens, it’ll be too late for us to have anything to say about it.

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            Tbh the time with the US as the world police isn’t great. It’s great in the US because we don’t ever get attacked, can import the financial success from our victories, can come back home after and are basically naive to conflicts at home. But I don’t think they’d say the same for all of South America, Asia, the Middle East, or Africa.

            I know China is spooky, but the US has destabilized so many democracies and ruined so many countries in its attempt to stop the spooky ghost of communism to keep its financial stranglehold on its imperial sphere that a multipolar world could be better. He waxes poetic about the time of peace from interstate conflict but ignores how the US has arrested the world from progress, trapping us in this late capitalist hell-hole the working class is in now. There’s still violence form the upper class on the poor, or the Imperial core on the third world.

            I also noticed he links to an article on the USSR attacking countries but that doesn’t even compare to all the wars we’ve been involved in where we didn’t have to be, usually on the side of the colonial or imperial power or the dictator. And a lot of the military build up in countries such as the USSR, Cuba, or North Korea is in response to the US threatening war all the time during the Cold War and having the capability and will to enact it. They put forward the possibility of a first strike with nukes in all those countries. It was public knowledge that the US refused to live in a world with communism and even when countries would want it themselves without the USSR doing anything, the US would see that as a reason to interfere, trying to connect it to the USSR anyway. They’ve succeeded, but that doesn’t mean they’ve made the world better, just the US richer. Plus, a lot of the latent conflicts that are coming to the surface in that article are a result of Western interference in local, civil conflicts during the Cold War - such as the China-Taiwan or North Korea-South Korea ones. Not all, like the Serbia-Kosovo stuff, but a lot. Maybe if we had just left and stopped propping up local separatist movements things would’ve been calmer in some of those places, like in Vietnam right now.

            Its definitely possible I’ll eat my words because the world is getting scary and chaotic, and I’m not sure how other powers will act without US restraint, but hey, maybe it won’t be worse. Maybe it’ll be better. God I hope so lol.