I just saw this post over on r/modcoord which is basically a massive list of subreddits participating in the blackout protest. If I’m being honest I haven’t seen this much anger and coordinated frustration since the era right before the digg exodus.
Assuming more and more subreddits join in, it’s going to send a pretty massive message to the users who interact with a blacked out subreddit. Then I’m trying to imagine what happens if after a massive coordinated blackout, Reddit continue on the current trajectory. Is Lemmy even prepared to handle the amount of potential incoming traffic that API closure could lead to? It’s absolutely bonkers to me that the Reddit team might just stay the course…
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Im kinda worried for the amount of NSFW subs that will be gone forever. And most instances here don’t allow NSFW in the first place.
The blackouts will make no difference to Reddit’s plans. The API charge will come in. The content creators and moderators will leave. The content will go stale. The smart shareholders will cash in early; the dumb ones will hang on for the prospect of a greater return which won’t materialise. Once the content is stale, the readers and lurkers will leave. Reddit will become a has-been, a memorable item of internet history like so many other sites.
Hot take from me: They were planning to just add ads into the API, remove NSFW so that ad agencies don’t get mad and maybe put a more modest premium to access the API.
They spark the outrage then basically paint users and subreddits that supported the blackout as ‘heroes’ when the walk back the changes partially and exclaim “We did it Reddit!”. All when it would have been the plan from the get-go. The silence from their reasons behind this has me very suspicious of something like this.
I agree with you. Standard tactics with this sort of shit. Say you’ll do something outrageous and when folks get mad enough roll back your plans enough that don’t quite fuck over users as hard. Repeat ad infinitum. Users think they’ve won but in reality they’ve given up another inch.
Honestly, I want Reddit to fail altogether and have people flood into Lemmy by hosting their own instances. It’s like ripping off the band-aid, it’s just better to get on with it.
I do have to wonder if Reddit knows something we don’t… This is… wayyy too much to ignore. I assume they’ve done analysis of the worse cases and mass user departure. The only reason I can assume they’re not backing down is due to the very high upfront costs of Reddit. Less users = less costs which theoretically means more profit. You have a very good point, and its something all Lemmy server owners need to be prepared for, which is a huge influx of users joining on the blackouts, even then, it may not be enough, unintentional DDOS attacks are still DDOS attacks. This is a golden opportunity of a lifetime for Lemmy, but I fear with even a 10th of Reddits current userbase, Lemmy admins won’t be able to keep up… I feel for all the developers and admins that make Lemmy possible, and I really hope it goes well for everyone involved. Donate to server admins and the main project if you have a few dollars spare, or if anyone is comfortable with coding I’m sure they need some devs.
Reddit knows they have sudo access, and that ultimately the upset users are not that large, just fairly vocal, and won’t miss them. They’re probably planning to let this play out and know they can force the subs open again with new moderators if it comes to it. I think they’re banking on most users merely being annoyed that their favorite subs are closed for a day and then forgetting all about it.
I think they’re banking on most users merely being annoyed that their favorite subs are closed for a day and then forgetting all about it.
if they are it’s a good approach: look no further than climate protests for how people get when they are even mildly inconvenienced even though it’s the literal existence of the planet we’re talking about there. a lot of ordinary people love protest–as long as it literally never affects them in any way, and they never have to see it or hear about it. they’re probably not going to like it when it’s something this… banal.
Reddit knows something we do know: that Lemmy is still young and still has some serious issues with scaling. By pulling the plug and dumping that many people on Lemmy now, all those people will be met with an error page instead of a viable Reddit alternative, driving them back to Reddit.
I can only hope it doesn’t actually play out like this…
Reddit knows something we don’t
they know that they can circumvent moderators’ lockdown and make subreddits public at will and sack the mods who don’t agree with the change, and they’ll still have tons of people willing become a moderator for the sense of pride and accomplishment that you get from ruling your tiny little castle.
I’ve got my popcorn ready for whatever happens down there.
popcorn tastes good.
I hate to say this but Lemmy is way less user friendly than Reddit. I doubt anything close to 10% of reddit will come over here. This site should focus on improving new user acquisition.
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Not a good name for a social media site. Google/Youtube searching “Lemmy” just gives results for a guitarist
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The average joe doesn’t understand how federation works
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You have to decide which place to make an account
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You have to write an essay to join (I’ve seen people complain about this)
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The top instances look very political/left wing
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If you’re persistent, educate yourself, and make it through the process, you can join a site with ~1000 active users.
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Following remote communities is unintuitive. You have to search the link from your instance to subscribe to another instance (e.g., if your account is on beehaw, you have to search !gaming@lemmy.ml. You can’t click their subscribe button on lemmy.ml.)
You and I know that different instances of Lemmy are mutually accessible and so #3 and #5 are not a problem. But for the uneducated all the above are significant barriers for entry/retention.
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I do have to wonder if Reddit knows something we don’t…
I’m hoping for the best, but fearing the worst as far as Reddit goes. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did the math and just don’t care.
If lemmy keeps growing, and I can source a cozy one stop spot for hentai and memes, I’ll nuke my 11 year reddit account.
