The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don’t think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the “second in command”

  • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1229·
    2 years ago

    The irony of being against fascism and then getting upset when one of these supposed fascists is willing to engage with you – But you’re not willing to engage with them.

    • shani66@burggit.moeEnglish
      133·
      2 years ago

      Because fascists lie? They don’t engage in good faith, it’s a very long established precedent.

      Edit: Holy shit it’s you again, you are a good example actually.

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        411·
        2 years ago

        Correct, they do lie, which is why engaging with them is easy. you can point out their lie and mock them, which convinces anyone who is unaware of the lies.

        Also really now? you think I’m a fascist?

        • shani66@burggit.moeEnglish
          81·
          2 years ago

          I got no idea of you’re fash or not, but you are clearly acting in bad faith. Trying to apply the paradox of tolerance to someone using the paradox of tolerance? Not denying the place your defending is awful, but instead trying to say quarantining it is bad for reasons? Trying to suggest that viewpoints completely divorced from reality are completely valid?

          Mocking shitheels is a great passtime, but engaging with someone who lies about the basic facts of reality is nearly impossible. A COVID denier, just to bring it all back around in a single comment, will just deny evidence has any merit. Look at the latest trans freak outs, again to keep it to a single reply, it’s ‘people’ objectively lying and claiming kids get surgery when that doesn’t happen.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            48·
            2 years ago

            No. I’m clearly not a fascist. I’m quite the opposite, in fact, I’m staunchly democratic.

            I’m acting in bad faith? No, I’m not. I’m actively engaging with you, I’m not shutting you down or refusing your points or values.

            So many misuse what the Paradox is, I blame American politics. The paradox of intolerance clearly states;

            I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies ; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force ; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument ; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law

            My entire point is that if users come here from outside their safe-spaces, we are free to engage and challenge their bigoted views. Will it change their opinion? Perhaps, Daryl Davis believes so and from experience, so do I. Regardless, at least it will show to others how outdated and stupid these views are. Do you agree with me on that?

            When their claim is easy to disprove, then disprove it. If they say that it’s fake-news, then it only makes them look like an idiot.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          61·
          2 years ago

          That would be the case if they showed some good faith and had their opinion swayed by rational arguments. It’s not the case, so might as well just not let them take part in the debate until they actually understand what a debate is.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            24·
            2 years ago

            If they don’t know what they’re doing, it should be easy to prove them wrong and make them look silly. You can also try to argue via emotions.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              2 years ago

              It is easy to prove them wrong, they don’t care, why bother?

              Just leave them in their corner and stop wasting our energy. When they realise they’re alone they might start reflecting on what they did wrong. It’s not a four years old we’re talking about, it’s adults who should know better.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                03·
                2 years ago

                What a poor argument. They want to be in their echo-chamber.

                We should encourage those who are brave enough to wander outside of it.

                • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  3·
                  2 years ago

                  The problem being that the majority of them wander out to share the same opinions, not to have their mind changed and that leads to radicalisation when their message reaches people that are sensible to it but that are still on the fence.

                  https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g

                  The reason why the alt-right has become such an issue and so big in the first place is because they were allowed to participate to discussions on social media because moderators didn’t understand that tolerating intolerance leads to more intolerance instead of changing the mind of the intolerants.

                  There’s tons of content all over the place for those who really want to get out of the radicalisation spiral, this is a generalist platform, not an help group, we don’t have the obligation to waste our energy on these people or to let them pollute discussions with their feelings.

                  • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    15·
                    2 years ago

                    The problem being that the majority of them wander out to share the same opinions, not to have their mind changed and that leads to radicalisation when their message reaches people that are sensible to it but that are still on the fence.

                    ommmgg, you’re making my point but you’re not even realising it. We should engage with them when they move out of their safe-spaces because then those on the fence see how stupid the alt-righters are.