• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    This same exact line has been thrown at leftists every election cycle for the last 50 years. The fun thing? The liberals sided with the fascists in Nazi Germany, lol.

    I never suggested that leftists shouldn’t vote for Biden over Trump, but get off your high horse and realize that what’s good for liberals is not necessarily good for leftists, and leftists have a right to complain and criticize. Liberals are not entitled to votes just because they aren’t as bad as fascists, at the end of the day both are bad.

    Again, I’m going to vote for Biden, but I’ll absolutely clown on him for being a lukewarm liberal propping up genocide as well.

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      If it’s been thrown at them for 50 years, which I don’t necessarily concede, it’s because they never do anything about it. Leftists don’t organize. Leftists don’t prop up candidates at local and small levels. Leftist don’t campaign. What leftists do is complain. What leftists do is cut each other down. What leftists do is turn up their noses at 80% of success because it’s not the other 20. Meanwhile conservative will happily chip away 20% at a time for 30 straight years till they get what they want.

      Being a left is an America is one of the most frustrating things you can be, because we kill ourselves.

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        Leftists do organize, liberals are just the most entrenched party.

        Biden is not 80% success, if he was then there would be genuine Socialism in the United States.

        Being a leftist is frustrating because liberals never concede anything yet feel entitled to votes because they aren’t as evil as the other guy.

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          How did how do they get entrenched? Is it just magic? Or maybe, they’re that much better at organizing which leads to entrenchment.

          Why on Earth with 80% success from a liberal be socialism that makes no sense.

          You people have no idea how far the Democratic party has moved in the last 20 years alone. You people have no concept of what it was like in the 90s. On so many issues today the Democratic party without question supports things that the Democratic party back then was way too conservative to do. It’s about incremental change. Short of violent revolution, which I am not ruling out, that’s the only way to get change. Only.

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            Because liberalism is beneficial to Capitalists, money flows towards them. Leftists have been forced to organize at grassroots levels against the powers of Capital, while liberals have had the pleasure of being bought and paid for by Capitalists.

            80% success for a leftist would be Socialism. Of course Biden is a liberal, I don’t give a shit if he’s successful as a liberal, I care about genuine improvements in material conditions for the Proletariat. Biden hasn’t been 100% bad, but he’s been far from leftist.

            Grassroots movement is how you get change. In the last 20 years, liberals are no closer to emancipation of the Proletariat.

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        Dems: “LeFtIsTs DoNt OrGaNiZe BeHiNd A cAnDiDaTe”

        Leftists: organize behind a candidate

        Dems: “Yea but no” goes to court to tell leftists they do what they want fuck you