Toyota wants hydrogen to succeed so bad it’s paying people to buy the Mirai::Toyota is offering some amazing deals for its hydrogen fuel cell-powered Mirai. That is, if customers can find the hydrogen to power it.

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    9 months ago

    And most electricity is still made from fossil fuels. The point is that it doesn’t have to be, unlike gasoline.

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      9 months ago

      Yup, I think there is a solid argument BEVs will win in the long run (once battery technology improves … all the downsides of BEVs start disappearing rapidly). However, I haven’t ever liked the argument that “most hydrogen is made from fossil fuels” that’s looking too short term.

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        9 months ago

        However, I haven’t ever liked the argument that “most hydrogen is made from fossil fuels” that’s looking too short term.

        There’s loads of studies surrounding that. It isn’t expected to change. This because they’re planning to create hydrogen from gas in such amounts that it’ll not cause too much of a change in the percentage of green hydrogen (which is currently as good as non existant).

        Hydrogen is also expensive, so it’s pretty difficult to get a factory (e.g. steel factory) to switch to hydrogen.

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          9 months ago

          We will run out of fossil fuels someday. We can also just ban making hydrogen from fossil fuels and then selling it to car manufacturers. Just like with battery demand … you get the demand increased and research will take off from there to find ways to make it cheaper and faster.

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      9 months ago

      That’s not true, Gasoline doesn’t have to be made from Fossile fuels either. It’s pretty easy to make actually - there are a number of European companies doing it and with the Co2 Taxes, it will be a viable option by 2028.

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          9 months ago

          It is certainly synthesisable by some method without using petroleum. But the person you replied to probably meant Power-to-Gas.

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            9 months ago

            However synthetic or not, burning it produces same gases, which are the problem. Cleaner, but not the end solution.

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          9 months ago

          Biogasoline is a thing, although I’m not aware of anyone really pushing it as viable fuel above biodiesel, ethanol, and bioLPG.