My Nextcloud has always been sluggish — navigating and interacting isn’t snappy/responsive, changing between apps is very slow, loading tasks is horrible, etc. I’m curious what the experience is like for other people. I’d also be curious to know how you have your Nextcloud set up (install method, server hardware, any other relevent special configs, etc.). Mine is essentially just a default install of Nextcloud Snap.
Edit (2024-03-03T09:00Z): I should clarify that I am specifically talking about the web interface and not general file sync capabilites. Specifically, I notice the sluggishness the most when interacting with the calendar, and tasks.
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mine was really sluggish for a long time, then I saw someone in here explaining their similar issue and their fix. I don’t have the post link, but it was related to DNS settings. Basically for some reason using my pihole dns made only nextcloud sluggish, the fix suggestion was to use 1.1.1.1, which worked. Now, it is a pretty fast nextcloud.
So on your Nextcloud server you use an external DNS and it greatly sped up you nextcloud? Because I noticed a few years back mine got slow and I cannot figure out why. It was about the time I enforced pihole dns with pfsense. I might need to try this.
That would make sense if the cause is some looping from hanging DNS lookups. Someone should (and likely has) notified the devs about this.
Another possible solution, from https://help.nextcloud.com/t/server-hangs-and-then-is-fine-for-a-bit-then-hangs-again/153917/16
I’m going to have to give this a shot tonight, need to make a pfsense rule to allow the server to get out and then change its DNS. Regarding php, my current config is the following because I have over 64gigs of ram and went through great length to get Nextcloud to cache MORE into ram:
pm.max_requests = 50000 #set higher, the process is recyled after 50k calls to prevent memory leaks pm.max_children = 1000 pm.start_servers = 60 pm.min_spare_servers = 30 pm.max_spare_servers = 120
@Kalcifer @selfhosted it’s quite slow for me. AIO docker setup
It was way worse when I tried the snap tho
As long as it’s faster than the snap, it’s worth it to me 😜
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I’ve shit-talk NC so much on here and other forums but for some reason kept feeling compelled to try to make it work. I’ve tried a few of the Community Docker templates available on Unraid “store” as well as AIO. I’ve had issues with all of them. Then gave NextcloudPi a try on a spare Pi 4 (installed a SSD as boot instead of microSD) and it works much better. It’s still much slower than I think it should be, but this version is far and away more responsive than the others.
Seafile is a beast of an app that syncs and performs incredibly fast. Some folks won’t use it due to the git-like chunks it parses your data into on the server end (this is what accounts for the speed from what I’ve read). I understand the concerns in that regard, but I still like it and I have my own way to mitigate that concern.
Nextcloud pleases A LOT 10% of it’s users. Those 10% are composed by tech savvy people, coders and developpers that spent countless hours tinkering with their instance.
I’m one of the 90% left. Despite really wanting to use nextcloud and trying to set it up correctly for 2 years, I finally gave up and I feel much happier in my life, in my work, with my family and friends, and they thank me for that.
Now I just recommend Owncloud or seafile. They’re both really easy to install and just work out of the box.
Out of habit and convenience, I keep a nextcloud running on oracle free tier just for what it’s good at: caldav and contacts.
Never had an issue with mine. And running fine. Only thing I have done is use mariadb.
The out of the box experience of the containerized nextcloud is actually really bad. Had it running bare metal with apache and it was way faster.
But have you tried the official AIO docker compose file? Basically copy the redis stuff from there and you are good to go.
Containers run on “bare metal”.
Not in this context. Bare metal means all packages and services installed and running directly on the host, not through docker/lxc/vms
Yes - in this context containers run on bare metal. They run directly on the host. They even show up in the host’s process list with PIDs. There is no virtual machine between an executable running in a docker image and the CPU on the host.
Have you read my comment? It’s about where the packages and services are installed.
In this case, they’re installed in the container, not on the host
It’s all about where the packages and services are installed
No. Your packages and services could be on a network share on the other side of the world, but where they are run is what matters here. Processes are always loaded into, and run from main memory.
“Running on bare metal” refers to whether the CPU the process is being run on is emulated/virtualized (ex. via Intel VT-x) or not.
A VM uses virtualization to run an OS, and the processes are running within that OS, thus neither is running on bare metal. But the purpose of containers is to run them wherever your host OS is running. So if your host is on bare metal, then the container is too. You are not emulating or virtualizing any hardware.
Here’s an article explaining the difference in more detail if needed.
What is it you think the “metal” is in in the phrase “running on bare metal?”
Your comment is irrelevant. Who cares in what directory or disk image the packages are installed? If I run in a “chroot jail” am I not “running on bare metal?” What if I include a library in /opt/application/lib? Does it matter if the binaries are on an NFS share? This is all irrelevant.
The phrase means to be not running in any emulation. To answer my question above - the “metal” is the CPU (edit: and other hardware).
edit2: I mean - it’s the defining characteristic of containers that they execute on bare metal unlike VMs and (arguably - I won’t get into it) hypervisors. There is no hardware abstraction at all. They just run natively.
It’s just what it means in this specific context.
They’re not running directly on the host, with directly meaning directly.
If you go by definition, I agree with you, but the definition is not always the thing to go off of.
More specifically, the container is run on bare metal if the host is running on bare metal. You are correct in this thread, not sure why you’re being downvoted. I guess people don’t know what virtualization technology is or when it is used.
If the nextcloud container is slow, it’s for reasons other than virtualization.
not sure why you’re being downvoted.
LaNgUaGe EvOlVeS. 🙄
Wait what? I’m saying what you said is correct. Am I the one who’s confused here?
Edit: oh maybe you meant that’s the excuse people give for being wrong? lol
Yes, that’s the excuse I’ve been getting. Sorry to be vague.
I just moved my files from nextcloud to seafile, founded that I don’t really need chat, calendar, tasks and other things, only need to store files and have it synced between my devices.
Nextcloud works for my small company and I’m not going to change it for now.
Now I just recommend Owncloud or seafile. They’re both really easy to install and just work out of the box.
Which one is lighter on your opinion?
Lighter, I dont know. Faster, I’d say owncloud. YMMV
Use the AIO. Its much faster than any other way I’ve had it set up and I’ve used NC for years. Easy to update, full featured, supported.
And anyone that tells you to use Own cloud instead doesn’t have a clue.
An issue I have with AIO is I can’t use an internal IP address, and I’m required to have a domain or revese proxy.
OwnCloud for now, NC for the manual install.
What do you mean no internal IP? I can access the instance on my local network via RPI address no problem.
EDIT: Realized I didn’t use AIO. Sorry.
Ooooh, I just checked and I am indeed not running the AIO. Must be a new thing, and I though I had it because I didn’t set up much, but I really just used a premare docker-compose.yml, which is why I didn’t remember any advanced setup. It still uses multiple containers.
I stand corrected.
Configuring a Redis cache really helps in my experience.
But I also recently noticed something odd: it works quite well on my usual internet connection, but when I traveled abroad it became excruciatingly slow, more so than the admittably worse mobile connection would have let me assume. Something about it seems to require a relatively stable internet connection on the client side it seems.
That might be due to your ISP’s routing and interconnects. They usually have good routes to big services and might lack good connections between home users in different countries or on different continents.
I use it on cheap vps since ~4yrs and work “well” but I’ve never had a single major update that didn’t have an issue on my LXC/Alpine container 😒 One moment it’s the packages name that have changed, one time it’s PHP version, another it’s a config, another is a addon, last time that was opcache, … and I’m a bit tired of having to spend hours each time doing maintenance of it.
I really think I’m going to go back to something simpler but more solid like an SSHFS or similar.
Mine has always been slow. I started on a raspberry pi but later on a NUC and even on my VPS at Hetzner, it was always like you describe. Because I only used it for calendar, adressbook and sharing a few files I replaced it with Radicale for CalDav and CardDav and Syncthing for sharing files.
Spent a full day setting up Nextcloud so I could file sync my machines and share files externally. It was slow as hell and didn’t work half the time.
Spent 10 minutes spinning up Syncthing and FileBrowser containers and have had zero issues with them since.
Yeah, me too. Nextcloud is way too unwieldy for basic usage like calendar/contact/even file sync. I tried a couple collaboration tools but they only stuttered and crapped out.
I’m actually fine hosting several smaller, dedicated services for the features I need rather than one lumbering point of failure.
I run linuxserver.io docker container, disabled almost all apps and its been running rock solid and quite fast on old celeron. It takes 3-5 sec to open a web page, but I mostly use desktop/android app anyway
Overall good. The only slowness is right after login. After it loads everything it’s pretty responsive. Using the snap version (I know, snap bad. But in this case it was the only way I got it going.).
Self updates,.get email notifications when it updateab
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I run Nextcloud on an old laptop (i5-8500h) and tbh I find it super fast and responsive. I’ve barely done any tinkering or customization
I’ve never experienced slowness and I’m accessing it from behind two proxies and a VPN. Can you share some information about your setup?
Pretty sluggish for me as well. Bare metal install with Apache, PHP 8.3, since a few days PostgreSQL and the whole Redis memcached opcache whatevercache stuff. Next step would be to check if the AIO Docker is the magical thing that makes it fly.
Some 8 core CPU I’m too lazy to look up, 16 GB RAM and two HDDs. SSDs would probably help, I guess.
