I think the people in this thread aren’t Russian bots. That’s why I think it’s worth arguing with them. If we want Biden to win in November, then calling him Genocide Joe isn’t helping.
Actual damaging propaganda will occur on the mainstream sites, especially Twitter, via the RUSKIES to drive support from Biden in the general. We must all do our part to prevent votes for fascists (Trump, any republican at all at this point)
This is me-me is just commentary on a safe protest vote with a vilifying tagline to garner attention. But the protest vote is to end the US-funded genocide of the Palestinian people by the country of Israel, which is a very worthy goal.
While I think a lot of this is Russia, I think Qatar is ultimately the main offendor here.
Next time you see a post on here linked to al Jazeera reporting in Palestine, just point out that all jazeerah is technically a wing of the same political apparatus that Hamas is. If you were to do this, you might notice that within 24 hours, downvoting of your comment might equal more than 50℅ of all activity in that thread, almost as if people were coming to that post solely to downvote.
You might also notice that for the people who do respond to you, they will almost never address anything you actually say, but appear to have prompts based off what specific keywords you hit. Or you might notice a flurry of accounts all responding as if they are the person already engaged in conversation with you, but they all have different screen names. Almost as if they are writing their replies directly from your posting history rather than their own account in boxes.
The propaganda machine is here, and I suspect the P2P nature of our system is going to make this platform the least able to moderate it out once we reach a critical mass of people.
Now, thankfully there is only 35,000 of us here, so we are such a low priority that there aren’t too many bad actors here yet.
If I write you a message, you get an icon in your private message inbox allowing you to know I responded.
However, if you are signed into a sock account, or even multiple accounts, you might forget which account you are currently signed into, and instead of waiting to be notified (because Lemmy has a bit of a lag), you instead are refreshing my profile, you might just respond directly to me from there, even if you aren’t in the right account.
Proof that the majority of accounts using Palestinians to sow division among democrats in an election year can’t vote in US elections?
The only way I could possibly prove that to you is if I only communicated with people after photographing their ID and then sending all of that to you.
You can also keep watch on the accounts who post and comment on al Jazeerah links.
I would say that any time a “leftist” posts an English language edition of a right-authoritarian state media in a positive fashion, chances are good that account should be saved and watched from time to time.
If a leftist believes that a far right regime is the only place to get accurate information that can’t be found elsewhere, and then promotes that far right regime’s media, that person is not a leftist.
What are they? I don’t know. But when we have a small amount of accounts of people who are not who they claim to be, and they all are spending hours per day promoting the exact same message, and occasionally responding to the wrong messages, coordination of some kind is happening.
These accounts who push borderline pro-hamas sentiments while using Qatari media to do so may not be state sponsored. It could just be some lone nutcase who just really agrees with Qatar’s geopolitical goals.
No, I just pointed out that you set up an unmeetable threshold to be willing to accept my experience.
If you aren’t willing to trust a person’s experience as genuine (even if their conclusion about said experience is wrong) unless they have collected data on 35,000 people behind the accounts on 1 website, that’s entirely on you.
I can say that there is a boomer on Lemmy, if you are really interested, you could follow the accounts who seem to show up a lot, bullying anybody who disagrees with him.
I love tokenboomer! he has the best takes, and … yea the comment sections are usually owning the libs, but that doesn’t make them paid propagandists or sock puppets.
frankly, you’re spreading unevidenced (and unprovable according to you) conspiracy theories.
In my experience most of the people calling him genocide Joe can’t vote in US elections.
But yes, their goal is to get Trump elected.
I think the people in this thread aren’t Russian bots. That’s why I think it’s worth arguing with them. If we want Biden to win in November, then calling him Genocide Joe isn’t helping.
I don’t think Lemmy has the cultural cachet to warrant actual Russian Trolls, we get the propaganda second hand from useful idiots.
Actual damaging propaganda will occur on the mainstream sites, especially Twitter, via the RUSKIES to drive support from Biden in the general. We must all do our part to prevent votes for fascists (Trump, any republican at all at this point)
This is me-me is just commentary on a safe protest vote with a vilifying tagline to garner attention. But the protest vote is to end the US-funded genocide of the Palestinian people by the country of Israel, which is a very worthy goal.
While I think a lot of this is Russia, I think Qatar is ultimately the main offendor here.
Next time you see a post on here linked to al Jazeera reporting in Palestine, just point out that all jazeerah is technically a wing of the same political apparatus that Hamas is. If you were to do this, you might notice that within 24 hours, downvoting of your comment might equal more than 50℅ of all activity in that thread, almost as if people were coming to that post solely to downvote.
You might also notice that for the people who do respond to you, they will almost never address anything you actually say, but appear to have prompts based off what specific keywords you hit. Or you might notice a flurry of accounts all responding as if they are the person already engaged in conversation with you, but they all have different screen names. Almost as if they are writing their replies directly from your posting history rather than their own account in boxes.
The propaganda machine is here, and I suspect the P2P nature of our system is going to make this platform the least able to moderate it out once we reach a critical mass of people.
Now, thankfully there is only 35,000 of us here, so we are such a low priority that there aren’t too many bad actors here yet.
what does this mean?
If I write you a message, you get an icon in your private message inbox allowing you to know I responded.
However, if you are signed into a sock account, or even multiple accounts, you might forget which account you are currently signed into, and instead of waiting to be notified (because Lemmy has a bit of a lag), you instead are refreshing my profile, you might just respond directly to me from there, even if you aren’t in the right account.
ah. inboxes. the space really threw me for a loop.
do you have proof of any of this?
Proof that the majority of accounts using Palestinians to sow division among democrats in an election year can’t vote in US elections?
The only way I could possibly prove that to you is if I only communicated with people after photographing their ID and then sending all of that to you.
so you’re making it up
You can also keep watch on the accounts who post and comment on al Jazeerah links.
I would say that any time a “leftist” posts an English language edition of a right-authoritarian state media in a positive fashion, chances are good that account should be saved and watched from time to time.
this is more conspiracy theories.
Al Jazeera being the state media of Qatar is a conspiracy? Has Al Jazeerah been told this?
accusing people who post accurate information to Lemmy of being state actors is, yes, a conspiracy theory
If a leftist believes that a far right regime is the only place to get accurate information that can’t be found elsewhere, and then promotes that far right regime’s media, that person is not a leftist.
What are they? I don’t know. But when we have a small amount of accounts of people who are not who they claim to be, and they all are spending hours per day promoting the exact same message, and occasionally responding to the wrong messages, coordination of some kind is happening.
These accounts who push borderline pro-hamas sentiments while using Qatari media to do so may not be state sponsored. It could just be some lone nutcase who just really agrees with Qatar’s geopolitical goals.
No, I just pointed out that you set up an unmeetable threshold to be willing to accept my experience.
If you aren’t willing to trust a person’s experience as genuine (even if their conclusion about said experience is wrong) unless they have collected data on 35,000 people behind the accounts on 1 website, that’s entirely on you.
I can say that there is a boomer on Lemmy, if you are really interested, you could follow the accounts who seem to show up a lot, bullying anybody who disagrees with him.
I love tokenboomer! he has the best takes, and … yea the comment sections are usually owning the libs, but that doesn’t make them paid propagandists or sock puppets.
frankly, you’re spreading unevidenced (and unprovable according to you) conspiracy theories.
There are a lot of boomers here, I won’t confirm any usernames, although my post history and who has responded certainly is public.