With Ukraine’s military badly outnumbered by the invading Russians and desperately in need of more soldiers, villages like Makiv are being emptied of their fighting-age men.
  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
    54·
    8 months ago

    This isn’t a hypothetical, we already know what the west does.

    And how do you feel about that, do you think it is proper justification?

    Not being an utter imbecile, I understand that this would be the only possible outcome. Provoking such an outcome is either idiotic or intentionally malicious.

    Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

    Go look up the population of Ukraine before and after the war. If you really can’t figure out how google works then come back and I’ll help you.

    You provided the figures for how many refugees there are and have claimed that proves that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore”. But the total refugees from that source are nowhere near the estimates for current Ukrainian population, even on low end. So I’m not sure how that proves your point. Maybe you’ve misunderstood something but I have been googling this and the numbers I’ve found go against what you are saying.

    So yes, please help me. It’s kinda what I’ve been asking since the start but you’ve been pretty standoffish about it.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
        34·
        8 months ago

        I think that’s how the world works, and feels have nothing to do with it. The reality is that no great power will allow another great power to surround it with its proxies. So, either you think that there should be constant war between great powers, or you accept boundaries.

        And do you feel like that is proper justification for invading and attacking countries, killing people?

        https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/UKR/ukraine/population

        But that shows that the current population is ≈37,9 million, pre-escalation (2021) ≈43,5 million, pre-war ≈45,1 million. (The total ever in 1992, ≈51,8 million.) Can you explain to me how your numbers prove that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore”?

        E: Seems you’ve edited the comment

        Let me rephrase that, most fighting age males have fled Ukraine at this point

        Talk about moving the goalposts, eh. But anyway we can probably agree that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore” isn’t true then?

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
            34·
            8 months ago

            I’ve already explained that feels have nothing to do with anything. I do however think it’s idiotic to provoke wars based on feels when the outcomes are obvious.

            I was more thinking if you thought that Russia (or in other cases US) would be in the wrong in invading other countries in such situations and being against such wars.

            misspoke

            I mean, I did quote it back to you verbatim many times and we both made it amply clear that it was population we were talking about, you also talking about “population of Ukraine” and so on. So not sure I believe that instead of simply just having been wrong. But it’s fine either way.