Adding to the mountain of evidence that Israel is engaged in a genocidal war on the Gaza Strip, Al Jazeera on Thursday aired footage of what the news outlet reported was an Israeli drone targeting four Palestinians in Khan Younis last month.

Those killed by the unmanned aerial vehicle in the rubble of the southern Gaza city appear to be unarmed teenagers or young men. According to a translation of the coverage, they were not identified in the reporting.

Tariq Kenney-Shawa, Al-Shabaka’s U.S. policy fellow, said: “This is among the worst footage I’ve seen. Not only were these boys clearly unarmed and present no threat whatsoever, but they were struck multiple times even after stumbling/crawling away. There is no way they could have been considered combatants. This is unreal.”

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        Does it matter? Support or oppose people are being killed by missiles from drones not unkind words tossed from across the ocean.

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          In the context of the conversation we’re currently having? Yeah it does matter, because the person I was replying to suggested that all Jews support what Israel is doing.

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            And some of the strongest critics of Israel I’ve seen throughout all this have been Jewish. Wild to cast their protest to the side and generalize them.

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        I don’t worry about pissing off white people in America by pointing out the shitty things they collectively were responsible for in the pre civil war era even though not every white person in the 1800s owned slaves or supported slavery.

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        I’ll tell you the nasty truth. You’re right, but if a politician ran a campaign to strip Israel of all their benefits of American Exceptionalism they will be crushed in the polls. They won’t just lose they will be decimated.

        Why?

        Because despite what you say, many of those Jews you are referring to are actually Zionists once cutting off the hand that feeds their homeland is threatened.

        Non-Jews need to understand that unlike Christianity there is a level of identity politics steeped in nationalism, religion and culture are all so heavily intertwined it’s hard to break through. I’m speaking from experience. 3 of my kids are Jewish.

        I feel sorry for those sane Israelis that are powerless as their insanely right wing government kills any hope they have for a safe future thanks to destroying an already tenuous relationship with all their neighbours in the ME.

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          They won’t just lose they will be decimated.

          offtopic: “Decimated” means “reduced by 10%”, that is, multiplied by 0.9, that is, in the ancient Rome it meant “every 10th executed”. Seems closer to “just lose” than to “crushed in the polls”. While correcting people writing in their native language which isn’t mine is stupid, in this case the term is Roman, so.

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            Other meaning: “kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of.”

            The word has more than just one meaning of “reduction by 1/10”, even if that’s originally where the expression comes from. But im sure a smart guy as yourself already knew that.

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              In general how a word is used is what it means in the language, prescriptivism is cancer. I just felt that its original meaning is worth preserving too, and there are many ways to say “badly hurt”.

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                The only cancer is you going around trying to “correct” people when there’s nothing to correct.

                They used the word “decimated” accurately.

                You’re not preserving the original meaning. You’re just being an ass.

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                  The only cancer is you going around trying to “correct” people when there’s nothing to correct.

                  How does it feel to be such a moron that you can’t be bothered to look up the word “prescriptivism”, don’t know it, thus don’t get what you are answering and still decide to throw insults?

                  You’re not preserving the original meaning. You’re just being an ass.

                  What’s certain is that I don’t seek for evaluations of my actions and statements from apes who guess the meaning of words while having Internet access.

                  EDIT: and guess the exact opposite at that

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                    “While correcting people writing in their native language which isn’t mine is stupid, in this case the term is Roman, so.”

                    That is your quote. Moron. You fully admit you are trying to correct people.

                    But sure, try to make it about “prescriptivism” if that’s what you want you absolute clown.

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        https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/conflict-israel-and-gaza-what-do-jews-uk-think

        https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/

        https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/

        The majority of US/UK jews are both pro-Israel and not against what is going on in Gaza

        I couldn’t find a worldwide survey but it doesn’t seem altogether unfair to conflate the jewish religion with the worldwide bastion of that religion any more than it would be wrong to conflate Catholics and the pope. This does NOT mean its ok to harm people based on what they believe. Adding to the sum total of harm does nothing to alleviate the suffering in Gaza.

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        Most Zionists are not Jews

        Where did you get this from? It sounds wrong to me. The early Zionist terrorist groups (Haganah, Lehi etc.) were singularly Jewish groups, with mass immigration of Jews to Palestine being one of their top priorities (getting the British and Palestinians out being another).

        To vote in the World Zionist Congress you have to be Jewish.

        Or maybe this is a question of definition- how do you define Zionists in this case?

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            Ok, now I see what you mean. Thanks.

            Edit: holy shit, yea.

            As early as mid-1895, Herzl described his expectation that in supporting the emigration of Jews, “anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies”.[2]

            The Israeli government’s alleged collaboration with antisemitic politicians abroad has been criticized as a manifestation of Zionist antisemitism, in that it seeks to highlight Jew-hatred in order to provide further incentive for Jewish immigration to Israel. In this context, anti-Zionists have criticized the Zionist movement’s alleged complicity with or capitulation to antisemitism since it gained traction in the 19th century, and some anti-Zionists have also categorized Zionism as a form of antisemitism. The Austrian-Jewish anti-Zionist writer Karl Kraus regarded antisemitism as the “essence” of the Zionist movement and used the label “Jewish antisemites” to describe Jews who identified as Zionists.[3]

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        Im starting to think that what a lot of people learned from the holocaust wasn’t ‘never let this happen again’, but ‘never let this happen to the jews again’. The people of gaza are being wiped out because we, the west, can’t hold a Jewish state accountable for their actions, because that might make us nazis in the eyes of morons and their propagandists.

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          because that might make us nazis in the eyes of morons and their propagandists.

          You mean the Israeli state?

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          Im starting to think that what a lot of people learned from the holocaust

          That always happens when you try to teach a crowd a moral lesson.

          But, to be frank, there were institutional things learned too, culminating in the UN being created. Too bad it wasn’t reformed significantly after decolonization happened, and for the Cold War, and as a result by now it’s completely irrelevant. Its rules are being used to justify things opposite to stated when those rules were written.

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          The many faces of totalitarianism; we need to discuss this better, or have representatives who can at very least acknowledge that. By the way, none of these people seem to have at hearth the peace of the region. Until than, our hands are tied.

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        Idk if you have participated in the us political system much but like there’s a lot of Jews

        Going against them and potentially being branded anti-Semitic is political suicide

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          I think we can move past this while fighting actual antisemitism, which may be on the rise for all I know.

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            He’s got a point. AIPAC i one of the strongest lobby organization in the US. They make and break politicians all the time.

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              And they’ve been very successful in convincing everyone that Israel = Jews; so that any criticism of Israel is defacto antisemitic (nevermind that Palestinians are a Semitic people).

              We should be clear that Netanyahu and the far-right fundamentalist Likud party in Israel is the problem.

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              If you think AIPAC represents all Jews, you are absolutely an antisemite. No surprise you think Kanye “I like Hitler” West has “got a point”.

              Criticising the Israel lobby is fine, but maybe don’t blame Jews for everything Israel does…