The logic I always subscribe to is, issues in Linux can be fixed maybe not by you or me but someone at some point in the future. On a long enough timeline we win. Where as it’s not an issue with Windows, but a business decision to annoy you and thus can never be fixed.
It’s so much better than it used to be though. There’s been a lot of real progress and there’s more interest than ever in creating a viable Linux consumer-grade desktop among foss developers and even corporations.
I’ll grant you it’s definitely not there yet for non-techies. But I do think we’ll get there eventually and I wouldn’t have said that 5 years ago.
honestly I think it’s 95% there and would get that last 4% if you could go to a retail store and just buy one. the perception would be enough to get hardware and software vendors to start supporting it in a very short time. kinda like how cyberpunk has a steam deck present.
Would it be over night? No but real change is never quick. Perception has to change before the change happens. Why do you think MS and other Software vendors pays so much money to PC manufacturers to stay on Windows.
Remember with a windows PC purchase and bloatware. You’re a customer and a product, your desktop is a billboard. So it’s against their interest to give you agency in what OS you use.
Most Windows issues and annoyances can be fixed pretty easily with registry tweaks. This specific issue requires you to go trough the major effort of changing a single 0 to a 2.
As long as its still easier to completely debloat windows instead of debugging Linux, your so called win is still far away.
And the demolition plans are in a disused washroom in the basement behind a sign that says “beware of the leopard.” That’s an absurd justification.
Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect. Most of them won’t search for it, and many of those that do won’t have the skills to deploy a registry hack or identify legit info instead of malware or pranks.
The right answer is a third button-- “No, forever.” We all know it’s the right answer; I’m sure even Microsoft has focus group data. It doesn’t exist because someone in Redmond’s bonus is tied to how many people are cowed into signing up for OneDtive.
I’ve got a CS degree and 15 years of dev experience, and have come to the conclusion that you can’t negotiate in good faith with Windows anymore. It is going to take you down whichever hellpath their biz-dev team demands, and any attempts to fight it are going to be undermined and replaced with a new set of hacks or a differeny gauntlet of dark patterns for a few months later.
Maybe LTSC and Enterprise versions are a bit better, where they might have to preserve the goodwill of big dollar corporate customers instead of chasing some trifling revenue hack, but do we as ordinary users on home/pro licenses not deserve the same respect? And even there, don’t those business customers have to spend undue effort crafting and deploying policies to cram the endless stream of spam back in the box?
Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect.
I absolutely agree with you, and this statement is absurd, given the context.
Recently I decided to try out gaming with linux. What was planned to be a weekend project turned into multiweek project, and it included a lot of “rooting around” to get things working the way I wanted them to. Maybe it’s linux treating me with respect, when I have to start planning for hibernation when I’m partitioning the drive. Maybe it isn’t.
(Aside, Valve has done great work with proton. It’s time to reconsider, if games are keeping you from switching over.)
For background, my first linux was debian in late 90’s. I went through gentoo to ubuntu, until I got mac for work about a decade ago. By then my home rig was single booting windows.
So, given my history with debian, I started with ubuntu, only to realize I don’t like its current state. Next up was pop_os, because it’s heavily recommended for gaming. After some time I came to conclusion, that everything I know about linux on desktop is badly outdated, so I might as well go heavy and try arch. I chickened out, though, and went with manjaro. It’s actually quite nice, save for that hibernation.
Well, as you noticed a lot has changed since Debian in the 90s. While Manjaro has a lot of problems, and while I’ve found I need to reinstall it every 6 months or so because I’m not very l33t, it’s still honestly very easy and very straightforward, and definitely better than Arch if you don’t know what you’re doing.
If you approach Manjaro with a plan for regularly backing up your data, you can reinstall it with ease whenever you need to, and the reinstallation will be fast and easy. It works out of the box with Steam, and it doesn’t ask you to pay close attention to it’s backend while not having the problems you noticed with Ubuntu, and best of all it’s free and it’s not Windows. I run Manjaro and I’m pretty happy with it overall, when though I’m sure I’d be better served with Arch if I ever took the time to really figure it out properly. Good luck, I hope whatever you pick works out well for you.
Doesn’t sound like it. Just because it installed correctly doesn’t mean its well functioning, compliant standard, and able to function both performant and with stability. Also what does drive partitioning have to do with sleep/hibernation?
Performance and stability seems to be at the same level it was under windows 10/11. Can’t say nothing about standard compliance, nor do I really care in the end.
I’m kinda sure I wasn’t missing functionality, either. Then again, my card is old GTX, so DLSS not working is not because of drivers.
ETA: Hibernation requires swap space. Yes, swap file is viable alternative to partition, but I already had a swap partition, albeit too small. Even with partitioning aside, enabling hibernation is tedious compared to windows, where it’s literally ten clicks, five with keyboard and five with mouse. And on linux it requires a lot of “rooting around”.
“Simply find the registry value and know to change it from 0 to 2 to turn off this specific recurring ad on your own machine.” No thanks, I can actually just begin adless and remain adless with one simple trick.
they always leave off that registry change gets reverted on the next update and it’s now a new change you have to do to turn off the new ad showing up. I also don’t need to change my country location to uninstall a built in browser. Also do you think the registry is just something everyone knows how to use. It’s cryptic as hell and I know they are following a guide on some site. At least when i change a config file there are comments above the change most of the time not cryptic dword codes.
I was about to object that config files are also cryptic but you have a hell of a point that they contain comments. They are also usually are set up in a way to retain the contents across distro updates.
Windows is way more shitty than Linux is difficult to learn, because it isn’t. You just need to understand how computers actually work to be able to use Linux.
The logic I always subscribe to is, issues in Linux can be fixed maybe not by you or me but someone at some point in the future. On a long enough timeline we win. Where as it’s not an issue with Windows, but a business decision to annoy you and thus can never be fixed.
-Dr. Martin Linux King
It’s been like that for 20 years though. This is the future and it still isn’t ready
I’ve been daily driving it for 10 years, what’s the problem with it?
It’s so much better than it used to be though. There’s been a lot of real progress and there’s more interest than ever in creating a viable Linux consumer-grade desktop among foss developers and even corporations.
I’ll grant you it’s definitely not there yet for non-techies. But I do think we’ll get there eventually and I wouldn’t have said that 5 years ago.
honestly I think it’s 95% there and would get that last 4% if you could go to a retail store and just buy one. the perception would be enough to get hardware and software vendors to start supporting it in a very short time. kinda like how cyberpunk has a steam deck present.
Would it be over night? No but real change is never quick. Perception has to change before the change happens. Why do you think MS and other Software vendors pays so much money to PC manufacturers to stay on Windows.
Remember with a windows PC purchase and bloatware. You’re a customer and a product, your desktop is a billboard. So it’s against their interest to give you agency in what OS you use.
I haven’t used windows for 15 years, minimum
Because you’ve been trying to find drivers that work 😂😂
Most Windows issues and annoyances can be fixed pretty easily with registry tweaks. This specific issue requires you to go trough the major effort of changing a single 0 to a 2.
As long as its still easier to completely debloat windows instead of debugging Linux, your so called win is still far away.
And the demolition plans are in a disused washroom in the basement behind a sign that says “beware of the leopard.” That’s an absurd justification.
Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect. Most of them won’t search for it, and many of those that do won’t have the skills to deploy a registry hack or identify legit info instead of malware or pranks.
The right answer is a third button-- “No, forever.” We all know it’s the right answer; I’m sure even Microsoft has focus group data. It doesn’t exist because someone in Redmond’s bonus is tied to how many people are cowed into signing up for OneDtive.
I’ve got a CS degree and 15 years of dev experience, and have come to the conclusion that you can’t negotiate in good faith with Windows anymore. It is going to take you down whichever hellpath their biz-dev team demands, and any attempts to fight it are going to be undermined and replaced with a new set of hacks or a differeny gauntlet of dark patterns for a few months later.
Maybe LTSC and Enterprise versions are a bit better, where they might have to preserve the goodwill of big dollar corporate customers instead of chasing some trifling revenue hack, but do we as ordinary users on home/pro licenses not deserve the same respect? And even there, don’t those business customers have to spend undue effort crafting and deploying policies to cram the endless stream of spam back in the box?
I absolutely agree with you, and this statement is absurd, given the context.
Recently I decided to try out gaming with linux. What was planned to be a weekend project turned into multiweek project, and it included a lot of “rooting around” to get things working the way I wanted them to. Maybe it’s linux treating me with respect, when I have to start planning for hibernation when I’m partitioning the drive. Maybe it isn’t.
(Aside, Valve has done great work with proton. It’s time to reconsider, if games are keeping you from switching over.)
What distribution did you try to use? Some of them are steeper to learn than others.
For background, my first linux was debian in late 90’s. I went through gentoo to ubuntu, until I got mac for work about a decade ago. By then my home rig was single booting windows.
So, given my history with debian, I started with ubuntu, only to realize I don’t like its current state. Next up was pop_os, because it’s heavily recommended for gaming. After some time I came to conclusion, that everything I know about linux on desktop is badly outdated, so I might as well go heavy and try arch. I chickened out, though, and went with manjaro. It’s actually quite nice, save for that hibernation.
Well, as you noticed a lot has changed since Debian in the 90s. While Manjaro has a lot of problems, and while I’ve found I need to reinstall it every 6 months or so because I’m not very l33t, it’s still honestly very easy and very straightforward, and definitely better than Arch if you don’t know what you’re doing.
If you approach Manjaro with a plan for regularly backing up your data, you can reinstall it with ease whenever you need to, and the reinstallation will be fast and easy. It works out of the box with Steam, and it doesn’t ask you to pay close attention to it’s backend while not having the problems you noticed with Ubuntu, and best of all it’s free and it’s not Windows. I run Manjaro and I’m pretty happy with it overall, when though I’m sure I’d be better served with Arch if I ever took the time to really figure it out properly. Good luck, I hope whatever you pick works out well for you.
Sorry you’re nvidia card is a nightmare because of Nvidia, not open source efforts
Surprisingly enough, nvidia drivers turned out to be the easy part.
Doesn’t sound like it. Just because it installed correctly doesn’t mean its well functioning, compliant standard, and able to function both performant and with stability. Also what does drive partitioning have to do with sleep/hibernation?
Performance and stability seems to be at the same level it was under windows 10/11. Can’t say nothing about standard compliance, nor do I really care in the end.
I’m kinda sure I wasn’t missing functionality, either. Then again, my card is old GTX, so DLSS not working is not because of drivers.
ETA: Hibernation requires swap space. Yes, swap file is viable alternative to partition, but I already had a swap partition, albeit too small. Even with partitioning aside, enabling hibernation is tedious compared to windows, where it’s literally ten clicks, five with keyboard and five with mouse. And on linux it requires a lot of “rooting around”.
“Simply find the registry value and know to change it from 0 to 2 to turn off this specific recurring ad on your own machine.” No thanks, I can actually just begin adless and remain adless with one simple trick.
Going outside,?
Oh, no thank you. The framerate is great but the character editor is tedious and complicated so my current save is a little gremlin.
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they always leave off that registry change gets reverted on the next update and it’s now a new change you have to do to turn off the new ad showing up. I also don’t need to change my country location to uninstall a built in browser. Also do you think the registry is just something everyone knows how to use. It’s cryptic as hell and I know they are following a guide on some site. At least when i change a config file there are comments above the change most of the time not cryptic dword codes.
I was about to object that config files are also cryptic but you have a hell of a point that they contain comments. They are also usually are set up in a way to retain the contents across distro updates.
yep by no means are they perfect but they are not hostile and that’s fine by me.
Windows is way more shitty than Linux is difficult to learn, because it isn’t. You just need to understand how computers actually work to be able to use Linux.