- cross-posted to:
- autism@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- autism@lemmy.world
"Sometimes people use ârespectâ to mean âtreating someone like a personâ and sometimes they use ârespectâ to mean âtreating someone like an authorityâ
and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say âif you wonât respect me I wonât respect youâ and they mean âif you wonât treat me like an authority I wonât treat you like a personâ
and they think theyâre being fair but they arenât, and itâs not okay."
-a 15yo autistic girl experiencing ABA therapy
From a quick search, itâs basically a therapy where, instead of figuring out why the patient is upset, you train them like a dog. And not even the training where you do gentle redirection from bad behaviours. The kind where you whap the âpatientâ (ie victim) for being âabnormalâ so they effectively become a nervous wreck who does as you please to avoid being hurt
Sounds like every conservativeâs wet dream.
In a conservative and nothing about this sounds appealing to me.
Do you know any conservatives in real life or do you just have a notion of who they are from memes?
Well, I know the policies theyâve been advocating for. You know like, taking away womenâs bodily autonomy. Denying them reproductive healthcare. Taking away the rights and dehumanising anybody who doesnât conform to their very narrow (and utterly unscientific) ideas of gender identity. Making healthcare unaffordable to the point where live expectancy in the richest country on earth is falling. Letting any idiot buy an assault rifle, leading to countless deaths and a population living in fear. An inhumane and deeply racist prison system. Letting police get away with open blatant murder. I could go on. So pardon me if I think that a âconservativeâ is a person who simply likes to make other people suffer.
So, I like everything in your post. I also sorta like guns, I also fully believe that something has to change as Iâm tired of all the shootings, and of my 26 years alive, weâve done nothing and there are only more shootings. But, you cannot buy an assault rifle in America. Legally anyway. For the average person. Thatâs already illegal. If youâre referring to the AR-15, that stands for armalite. The company that makes them.
But other than that, spot on. Especially when it comes to guns though, the people in that community refuse to take anyone talking like that seriously, so if weâre going to have change, in my opinion, you have to do so from another angle. The gun community in America is also massive, shockingly diverse, and only growing. Why do these people feel that they need to take safety into their own hands? I feel like thatâs largely the question that needs to be answered there.
Also, Iâll finish this by saying, I own one shotgun, that Iâve had since I was 12 and Iâve never shot it. Iâm not a crazy gun enthusiast, but, it is something many people I know take seriously. Oh, and I guess my general politics are reformed conservative? I was raised in the Midwest by conservative parents but every day I wake up more left leaning.
you know how liberals fall anywhere from âregulations are good toâ to âi think communism should be our mode of functionâ
Similar thing with conservatives. You can thank politics for lumping you in with the crazies.
I know conservatives that believe this would be a good idea. I grew up with my parents arguing with family about taking me to ABA, but thankfully my parents had sense and didnât. All of the family members that thought it would be a good idea are very conservative.
I see three possibilities:
One, you have a different definition of conservative than what is currently the general definition of that label in the US.
Two, youâre lying.
Three, youâre in a country other than the United States and therefore âconservativeâ doesnât mean the same thing in general to you.
Quick test: if you agree with or vote for any US Republican politician, youâre just lying. In any other case, there may be a misunderstanding.
Why the down votes?
That sounds more like the reason why a person would need a therapist to begin with, rather than any kind of actual treatment.
Note that even what we pejoratively call âtraining like a dogâ is so obsolete that Iâve seen/read more than one dog trainer get a bit offended for comparing their profession to ABA. Ultimately, the problem with ABA is that it assumes that the object to be worked with isnât a subject worthy of being considered sentient, or of being capable of accurately expressing their needs or preferences, or that their mental processes are either too obscure or too wrong to even begin to take them into consideration, but rather that itâs just a very simple organism that you have to punish or reward until it learns to pretend to appear âhuman enoughâ in your eyes.
Youâd think we would have shelved it already when we already know a lot in the differences in the mental processes of autistic people.