"Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”

and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

and they think they’re being fair but they aren’t, and it’s not okay."

-a 15yo autistic girl experiencing ABA therapy

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  • Icalasari@fedia.io
    47·
    9 months ago

    From a quick search, it’s basically a therapy where, instead of figuring out why the patient is upset, you train them like a dog. And not even the training where you do gentle redirection from bad behaviours. The kind where you whap the “patient” (ie victim) for being “abnormal” so they effectively become a nervous wreck who does as you please to avoid being hurt

      • intensely_human@lemm.ee
        519·
        9 months ago

        In a conservative and nothing about this sounds appealing to me.

        Do you know any conservatives in real life or do you just have a notion of who they are from memes?

        • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
          15·
          9 months ago

          Well, I know the policies they’ve been advocating for. You know like, taking away women’s bodily autonomy. Denying them reproductive healthcare. Taking away the rights and dehumanising anybody who doesn’t conform to their very narrow (and utterly unscientific) ideas of gender identity. Making healthcare unaffordable to the point where live expectancy in the richest country on earth is falling. Letting any idiot buy an assault rifle, leading to countless deaths and a population living in fear. An inhumane and deeply racist prison system. Letting police get away with open blatant murder. I could go on. So pardon me if I think that a “conservative” is a person who simply likes to make other people suffer.

          • Hathaway@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            So, I like everything in your post. I also sorta like guns, I also fully believe that something has to change as I’m tired of all the shootings, and of my 26 years alive, we’ve done nothing and there are only more shootings. But, you cannot buy an assault rifle in America. Legally anyway. For the average person. That’s already illegal. If you’re referring to the AR-15, that stands for armalite. The company that makes them.

            But other than that, spot on. Especially when it comes to guns though, the people in that community refuse to take anyone talking like that seriously, so if we’re going to have change, in my opinion, you have to do so from another angle. The gun community in America is also massive, shockingly diverse, and only growing. Why do these people feel that they need to take safety into their own hands? I feel like that’s largely the question that needs to be answered there.

            Also, I’ll finish this by saying, I own one shotgun, that I’ve had since I was 12 and I’ve never shot it. I’m not a crazy gun enthusiast, but, it is something many people I know take seriously. Oh, and I guess my general politics are reformed conservative? I was raised in the Midwest by conservative parents but every day I wake up more left leaning.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          11·
          9 months ago

          you know how liberals fall anywhere from “regulations are good to” to “i think communism should be our mode of function”

          Similar thing with conservatives. You can thank politics for lumping you in with the crazies.

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          9·
          9 months ago

          I know conservatives that believe this would be a good idea. I grew up with my parents arguing with family about taking me to ABA, but thankfully my parents had sense and didn’t. All of the family members that thought it would be a good idea are very conservative.

        • Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          41·
          9 months ago

          I see three possibilities:

          One, you have a different definition of conservative than what is currently the general definition of that label in the US.

          Two, you’re lying.

          Three, you’re in a country other than the United States and therefore ‘conservative’ doesn’t mean the same thing in general to you.

          Quick test: if you agree with or vote for any US Republican politician, you’re just lying. In any other case, there may be a misunderstanding.

    • BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      9 months ago

      That sounds more like the reason why a person would need a therapist to begin with, rather than any kind of actual treatment.

    • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
      15·
      9 months ago

      Note that even what we pejoratively call “training like a dog” is so obsolete that I’ve seen/read more than one dog trainer get a bit offended for comparing their profession to ABA. Ultimately, the problem with ABA is that it assumes that the object to be worked with isn’t a subject worthy of being considered sentient, or of being capable of accurately expressing their needs or preferences, or that their mental processes are either too obscure or too wrong to even begin to take them into consideration, but rather that it’s just a very simple organism that you have to punish or reward until it learns to pretend to appear “human enough” in your eyes.

      You’d think we would have shelved it already when we already know a lot in the differences in the mental processes of autistic people.