Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.
I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.
(Also- hopefully this wasn’t posted already)
https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout
This was written by the Lemmy devs.
I’ve never heard of that. Where did that rumor come from?
Moron, morons everywhere
If you follow the link and then the “History of Lemmy” link it does get weirdly anti US…
What does it mean to be “weirdly anti US”?
Have accurate assessments of US politics, socioeconomics, and foreign policy
Just my feeling read it for yourself I guess
I don’t have an issue with the developers being Tankies as long as it doesn’t affect the software
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Here are some mod logs from lemmy.ml (which is an instance run by the Lemmy devs) from a few years ago: https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/89852/the-lemmy-ml-admin-is-banning-anyone-that-mentions-stalin-or
Here’s one of the Lemmy devs (you can tell it’s them from their profile activity) denying genocide: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/
Insisting that fascists are good, actually not fascists at all, as long as their nationalism makes them oppose the US (because the enemy of my enemy is a totally good guy!): https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/vgg2x3/thoughts_on_slavoj_zizek/id2cxb8/
There’s more here: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/-/comment/294792
But are you suggesting this somehow impacts Lemmy? It’s an open backbone that anybody can use to create an instance - in fact, by default each modlog is open, could you do the same and link the moderator actions /u/spez took in 2018? Could you create your own Reddit and defederate half of the content if you wanted to?
As I see it, Lemmy’s creators made their own instance to share their political views - that’s it, of course they control the rules over there. They also made their technology public so that I can type out this comment on Lemmy.world, which follows a completely different set of rules.
Mostly irrelevant in this context, because the topic at hand is the developer denying that they condone these practices and insisting that it is a manufactured narrative. You are replying to a rebuttal of this.
Your opinion is a completely fair one to have, but we don’t need to shift the conversation back to it every time someone provides a rebuttal to “the dev never actually said that” with receipts.
Yeah I know, I don’t think them being tankies is really a problem for Lemmy as a whole. I was just annoyed that all they had to say is “no we aren’t tankies” and people just took them at their word lol
IMO it’s a little more cynical than that, they rephrased the narrative into one that they could cleanly reject and be quoted on. As others have pointed out, it is almost a certainty that 1) they do not consider themselves or their ideology to be fascist, and 2) they aren’t supporting genocide if they do not acknowledge that the peoples in question are actually subject to genocide.
Edit: …Which you’ve already affirmed in one of your previous comments, my bad.
Yup, you’re exactly right with your analysis. They’re pulling typical tankie BS ironically.
I guess it kinda matters in that people like me certainly won’t be giving any code contributions, which for an open source project can be critical to its long-term health.
But devs also tolerate and use tons of code and the licenses that Richard Stallman wrote, even if he’s a huge creepball that a bunch of other free software orgs had to back away from.
So we’ll see. I also wouldn’t rule out a fork of it just so that it’s officially ran by a less controversial group.
It impacts as long as those problematic instances are federated
How? Like in what way?
The users, communities and posts of those instances are enabled and pushed to innocent users as well and not just contained on their own “island”.
In their own blogs they actually offer the solution to be defederation of harmful instances but nothing is currently happening with the situation.