Queer people are getting their rights violated and removed in real time, and now we have ppl from all across the political spectrum arguing over a flag I have never seen before.
At this point, I’m convinced that the flag is an intentional psyop designed to sow division in the community over colours on a rectangle to distract from actual issues.
I cleaned up some of the comments because there was some bickering and fighting. This is a reminder for everyone to be nice on our instance.
It’s okay to not like the new flag. It’s not okay to call other users racist because they enjoy one pride flag over another.
Given the unprecedented attacks on trans folks and the much higher murder rates of poc queers I think giving them space on the progress flag is more about making a statement about inclusivity and intersectionality than anything else.
Trying to include more groups like bisexual is just missing the point and people arguing that the progress flag should stay the way it is (although no one is talking about the intersex inclusive one which is an interesting statement on the erasure of intersex individuals), is more about the recognition of that statement and trying not to water down the message with a dash of design because it’s already pretty crowded.
Ultimately I do not care which flag you fly. It’s okay to say that you don’t like the design of a particular flag, but you should stop a second before commenting that and think a bit about what you could possibly accomplish with such a statement. It’s not your flag and you’re not flying it, so ultimately does it matter what you think of it’s design? Do you walk up to people with shirts you think are designed poorly and say “your shirt sucks, get a new shirt”? All you’re going to do is make them defensive and you’re pretty likely to start a fight, especially if you go off on some weird tangent about how you think the flag is bigoted in some fashion. The old adage ‘if you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all’ is pretty much designed for situations like this.
Yeah. Personally, I find it encouraging to see the progress flag, because it explicitly states its support in a world that’s sometimes hostile. I definitely notice when people actively have a problem with me being trans, so it’s nice to see people who are supportive making themselves visible.
I had an older couple of gay men treat me like a zoo animal for just hanging around drinking coffee as a trans woman at pride, in Provincetown of all places, wearing my regular clothes. Like, shoving a camera in my face and commenting to one another about how butch they felt I was. I would have dumped my drink over him if I hadn’t been so shocked. A pride flag doesn’t really tell me anything about whether you’re transphobic.
I had an older couple of gay men treat me like a zoo animal for just hanging around drinking coffee as a trans woman at pride, in Provincetown of all places, wearing my regular clothes. Like, shoving a camera in my face and commenting to one another about how butch they felt I was. I would have dumped my drink over him if I hadn’t been so shocked. A pride flag doesn’t really tell me anything about whether you’re transphobic.
Wow, so sorry you had to deal with that. 😢 Especially from older gay men who probably had to fight for their own rights when they were young.
When I look at my own environment it seems the anti-trans sentiment seems to be exploding. Especially since the fascists became the biggest party in the last Dutch elections. I’ve literally had to cut some “friends” off because I was sick of hearing their BS. Always the same tired fake facts crap too (like “they’re trying to convert our kids”)
I’m not trans but some of my friends are, and my impression is that it has become much harder for them in recent years. I always wear rainbow bands in June mainly because I thought it was all inclusive (and I couldn’t find progress ones). But I’ll try to find a progress one or a trans-flag one to wear beside it this year ❤️
Can somecritter please explain to me how it’s June <.< My sources inform me that it’s April and I think that April is not June.
Also if being a little extra inclusive is “sowing division” then maybe the community in question has some serious issues with gatekeeping or some other kind of exclusivity. Like, damn, multiple flags can exist at once. If this one cracks someone’s ass they’re free to fly another instead. No need to demand I buy three bits of cloth if I’m happy just using one.
Hereupon, the months of the year shall be named as such:
- Just Not June
- Far from June
- Midway to June
- Almost June / Barely June
- Mini June
- June
- June was here
- After June
- Still close to June
- Obviously after June
- No Longer June
- Definitely not June
(to ease transitioning, initials have been preserved)
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I think more flag designs are a good thing. It’s not like this bi-inclusive flag means it’s now illegal to fly the previous version of the progress flag, or an identity-specific flag. Everybody can just pick a flag that resonates with them and allows them to express themselves.
The only flag is the regular rainbow flag because its already all inclusive. All other flags are anti LGBT.
Idk, I appreciate the progress pride flag because it explicitly includes trans, intersex and poc. There’s a decent number of people who would consider themselves part of “the community” and use the standard rainbow flag, who don’t consider any identities past LGB. Its nice to be able to signal to people that you are genuinely a safe person/group/whatever who cares about the whole community and their struggles.
No. POC? Do you know how gay Asians are treated? Or eastern Europeans?
One flag for all and thats the normal rainbow. Singling out specific groups is racist.
Im ok with a black stripe, as a remembrance to the Aids crisis. But the other stuff is already included and does not need more than the normal rainbow.
The rainbow stands for anyone, its not exclusive to sexuality or gender, it stands for both.
I’m leaving this comment up because I think it’s fine to point out that the rainbow stands for anyone. But I’m also leaving this reply here to let you know that you need to disengage with this thread. Insisting that a pride flag is racist is not exactly creating a welcoming environment here or being nice to people who feel included with specific flags which highlight their identity.
Thanks for keeping beehaw a safe and friendly place <3
So a pride flag that is clearly textbook racist is good and arguing against it and the people that say its better because of the racism is not allowed here? Ok.
So a pride flag that is clearly textbook racist is good and arguing against it and the people that say its better because of the racism is not allowed here
when you call them racist and imply they’re segregationist for having their preference, yes, that is not allowed. that’s needlessly aggressive and needlessly sectarian—and speaking personally, “having a preference for more stripes on a flag that represent marginalized communities is racist and like segregation” is just such an overstatement of the point (that i otherwise agree with, for the record—i am not a fan of the progress flag) being made that it verges into being unserious.
Im not implying that, its just a fact that treating people differently based on skin colores is racist. If thats in a positive way or a negative one, is completely irrelevant. Its racist.
i don’t think “adding race-specific stripes to a pride flag” is a bad thing, is “treating people differently based on skin tone” except in the most cringeworthy, pedantic, I See No Color way possible, or is “racist”—and i think that if you believe these things you probably will not be allowed to partake in discussions like this on our instance after today
I feel more includet in the Progress Flag than the standard Rainbow. That’s just me, but why should that be less valid?
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That’s just wrong. The Rainbow Flag represents LGBT Pride and does not include BIPOC.
I don’t know why you don’t like the progress flag, but it’s not racist and it’s not transphobic and it’s not segregating. It highlights the diversity of human rights movements and points out that all human rights movements have the same goal and should work together.
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There is no racism against whites, idiot. You aren’t being denied jobs, getting houses, being shot by the police for no reason, or being harassed on the streets openly because you’re white.
Stop bitching around and deal with the fact that you’re not a king/queen/monarch anymore you absolute moron.
Sorry for the tone, but this shit pisses me off.
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So this whole discourse is why I don’t like adding to the rainbow flag for specific groups. Once you add a distinction to represent a specific group, every group then wants to be included, creating a giant mess. It’s the classic “a camel is a horse designed by a committee” problem.
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I understand that every non-cishet group faces their own unique challenges, discrimination, abuse, and hatred, but the whole point of the rainbow flag is to show that we are all united together.
I… What?
State flags are anti-US because the American flag is already all inclusive.
I think a more direct comparison would be flying the US flag with a state flag covering half of it.
Personal identity flags are perfectly fine, alongside the rainbow pride flag or just on their own. Just don’t cover over the “everyone” flag with specific identities. That’s like the opposite of the flag’s meaning.
The union jack shows a prime example of the opposite
You mean the flag that excludes 1/4 of the membership of the union? Combining specific symbols to try and make groups feel included only ever ends up making another group feel excluded. No one is arguing against symbols for trans people, or intersex, or POC people, just that the standard Rainbow flag was intended to represent them all.
Country flags are anti-humanity because the UN flag is already all inclusive…
(actually, that one might be true, with all the warmongering populist nationalisms and whatnot)
Technically yes but they are the other way around.
They represent a part of the USA, not try to expand the country’s flag by adding more stuff.
They are like the trans flag or the other specific ones.
They represent a part of the USA, not try to expand the country’s flag by adding more stuff.
Remember when they kept adding stars to the USA’s national flag every time a new state joined the union?
I don’t care, im German. However, since the stars explicitly represent one state each, it makes a lot more sense than to add things to something that already means everyone.
Its a big difference.
The original 13-star flag supposedly represented everyone too. It seems pretty hypocritical to say that government flags can be modified to add representation but queer flags shouldn’t.
And no star represents any specific state either. All are uniform and identical to ensure that none carry anymore weight than the others, and the layout of the stars completely changes everytime new ones get added.
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this is “all lives matter” all over again. I don’t mind a flag that recognizes trans and POC folks, who out of the LGBTQ community are discriminated against the most.
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You’re the reason we need this flag.
If you think that, buy as many as you want.
A new one I’ve seen (not the one in the article) was basically just every pride flag stitched together. I thought it looked ugly as hell and that the regular rainbow one already includes everyone; that’s why it’s a rainbow.
Yes, someone nade the comparison to the EU flags (also the infamous rejected one that looks like a fucking broken monitor)
Darlings, why don’t we just all fly the design we prefer, as long as it doesn’t include any hate symbols, or explicitly tries to exclude someone.
As a bi person, I find an extra bi flag kinda superfluous, but if someone likes to have it on there, go for it.
I just think of the pride/progresspride flag as the national pride flag. All the flags like the lesbian pride or bi pride flags are the state flags :3
Few people around these parts care about their state flags (well, except Bavarians, I guess, they’re kinda our Texas if you think about it), but that’s still a fun analogy.
We don’t put too fine a point on it either. But occasionally, I’ll look at a flagpole and see the national flag, a state flag, and sometimes a Canadian flag. It’s nice to see occasionally.
Same with sexuality/gender flags. Makes me smile a little when I see a bi/lesbian/trans, etc. flag out in the wild :)
That flag design is a travesty. I’m sorry, but it just is.
The progress flag looks okay, but this just is not it.
Isn’t the rainbow supposed to symbolize diversity? I mean, maybe you want to highlight a specific identity, but then each also happens to have it’s own flag nowadays which you can use…
It’s turning into a queer coat of arms, and I’m honestly kinda down with that :D
Sadly, there will always be people pulling “All lives matter”-esque b.s., even on the Left. What’s even sadder is that they’ve (consciously or otherwise) bought into the Right-wing narrative that not including every group equally when showing support is exclusionary to people or characteristics that are not in fact in need of that support, but also, as we see here, sometimes even taking the stance that only they get to determine the version that is ‘properly’ inclusive, not anyone else.
To wit, if the standard Pride flag is meant to represent everyone, equally including cisgender straight white folks, then it’s by definition not a symbol of especial support for marginalized folks. If it’s not inclusive of cisgender straight white folks, then who else is it not inclusive of, if the colors aren’t actually being mapped to specific groups?
It makes perfect sense to me why variations have emerged, and there’s no need to try to pare the field down artificially. New flags emerge all the time, and fall in and out of use. Flags are a choice about how you present yourself, in choosing to fly them, and it’s not anyone’s place to be telling other people they are beholden to use a certain flag.
“We have a flag that represents you all, but your communities don’t get to decide if it represents you, or if you would be better represented in another way, you listen to me!” - Such a very inclusive mindset! /s
I consider then immediately disregard the possibility that due to an ever increasing number of marginalized groups being included, the flag will eventually devolve into piece #196 from the babel image archives
