Itās one thing to have differing views, but Iāve seen enough attempted reddit migrations to be relieved that the popular communities in the fediverse so far havenāt been about crazy racist stuff or other extreme right bullshit.
I am also glad that Iām getting away from redditās general political shitposting, which was more left leaning. You couldnāt have any proper discourse on there, and even I with my generally more left leaning views recognized that.
You have some points, but ānot well recievedā would be downvotes. I think banning is censorship and can be a fair complaint.
With that said, maybe the sub had posted rules that were violated. It isnāt like OP couldnāt create their own sub if that was the situation.
Banning people from communication spaces though should be a concerning behavior. It goes both ways.
If your goal is to have a safe space for an oppressed minority group to express themselves, allowing transphobes to go about ājust asking questionsā and harassing people shuts down conversation of a group that actually has their freedom of expression threatened. Allowing harassment is more censorship than banning it. And no one should have the expectation of being able to just go into anyoneās house and shit on their floor without consequence. And that might mean being banned from going to all of their friendās houses as well.
But you donāt know what they said or what the community was. You are missing my general point. Please donāt support general fascism behavior, whether it is from the right or left.
On top of that, this isnāt somebodyās house. That isnāt a good analogy.
They already said quite clearly that theyāre transphobic. The āI donāt think children should undergo gender or sex transitionā is almost verbatim an anti-trans talking point.
Hereās some actual research on the subject of trans people, including trans youth, and suicide risk. With citations;
Hereās a study showing that children know what gender they prefer and donāt change their minds on it.
Hereās another meta study on trans youth who received gender-affirming care, and who saw a decrease in suicide risk.
Thanks for finding the sources
Transitioning is One solution, and it is valid to be able to discuss other options. Your citations bring good discussion points, but shouldnāt be used to ban people.
My point is about censorship and the race to the bottom thst it can and often brings.
I donāt know, Iām always in favor of banning transphobes. Their arguments are always based in hatred, not any verifiable science. I gave you the science.
Except thatās a sidestep. The viewpoint you were defending was saying that this one specific option, that has substantial academic backing for positive outcomes for kids, should not happen or should be prohibited.
Thatās not ādiscuss other optionsā - thatās discussing this option and arguing that society should take it away.
That youāre now trying to argue that itās just discussion and itās reasonable debate and - forgive my bluntness - being openly dishonest about what the original speech was that youāre defending with āfree-speechā and anti-censorship talking points is like ā¦ the example case for how this thread started. The nazis and the transphobes and the hateful bigots can always, easily, spin their own takes as righteous and reasonable debate - if you let them lead the dialogue and frame their discourse through the most-appealing lenses possible. And they can make valid-sounding and appealing arguments for why you, too, should defend them and their right to speak.
But inevitably they are also going to use any and all space you clear for them to be hateful and bigoted and call for harm to other people - that is their goal. Everything else is just a setup play.
If the scientific community overwhelmingly and independently comes to the same conclusion over and over again, insisting on being able to discuss other solutions, especially not in the context of academic exploration (because it IS important for the scientific process to check opposing hypothesis and to peer review) but in the Context of telling a baseless opinion easily disputed, then no.
Thatās like the people who insist on ādiscussing other explanazionsā for climate change.
And it is more than understandable that this insistence then is seen as the Opposite of good faith arguing and met with resistance. There is no point in giving a forum to harmful lies. That is not productive discourse
Iām literally transsexual, have transsexual friends, and donāt think children should undergo gender/sex transition. that isnāt an āanti-trans talking pointā itās common sense backed by medical literature and scientific studies.
They repeated what they said, which is good enough reason to ban them from dozens of communities. People generally portray themselves in the least controversial light possible in these circumstances, so thatās the best case scenario.
Many subreddits are the personal spaces of groups of people. Doesnāt matter whether itās literally a physical house someone lives in or a metaphorical home for marginalized people. Itās still their personal space. Theyāre justified in excluding people even for trivial reasons such as liking the number 7. Blatant transphobia is an obvious reason to ban people from such spaces.
Blocking people from harassing marginalized people is not fascism. Excusing the persecution of marginalized people otohā¦