Only 41% of Republicans say gay or lesbian relations are morally acceptable, according to Gallup.
That is a 15% drop from 2022, the largest single-year change since Gallup began asking the question.
Democratic approval also fell from 85% to 79%.
I’ve always said that ultimately the only people we can rely on are ourselves, the queer community.
The people who talk about kindness are centrists. They’re the same people who want compromise between the left, who want rights and protections for citizens, and the right, who want to demonize and murder people. Do not tolerate centrists.
There are three kinds of people who say “both sides” the apathetic, the Fascists, and the Libertarians (IE. Republicans who figured out being a republican makes everyone hate them)
The US Libertarian Party is really rather removed from libertarian parties of other natures or typical libertarian ideology. As far as I can tell the major difference between being US Libertarian or Republican is that Libertarians actively do not care if they’re hated. Notoriously, Penn Gillette divorced himself from libertarianism because the Libertarian Party got too obnoxious for him.
Typically, Republicans trying to distance themselves from Republicanism pretend to be conservative independents. Bill O’Reilly has asserted such as has others on the FOX News cast. (Tucker Carlson, maybe? I wonder if it’s a FOX News editorial guidelines to assert party neutrality, even as they were giving Trump softball interviews or letting him rant on the phone for 60+ minutes at a time.)
100% this. My parents live in a red-ish county. They’re very liberal themselves but constantly go on about how lovely people are up there and how they’ll really help you when you need it
That’s all fine and dandy, but I’m sorry I can’t help but see them as people voting against my rights
Please keep in mind that the demographic they’re talking about don’t do any critical thinking; they just parrot the latest hate-fueled diatribe from Fox/Newsmax/OAN/CNN. This is how conservative “politics” works in the US. If they aren’t oppressing people, attacking workers, veterans, women, or minorities, and leveraging tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the poor, they’re busy stacking the deck so they can in the future.
The GOP jump seems notable and steep, but the Democratic dip feels like it’s in line with the normal noise and variance that you get with a reoccurring survey.
You’re going to get normal peaks and valleys with a reoccurring survey. The respondent pools are never identical year over year. And with progressives, who skew younger and don’t answer phone surveys, you’re going to have even more noise.
I think the point is that there was also a dip with Dems. But IMHO, as someone who runs a lot of surveys for a living, the key it to look at the overall trend line, not one data point. And the overall democratic trend line over the past few years seems to have some noise in it that vacillates + or - 5% from the trend line.
The GOP line though… that feels like a change from historical trend line.
No, I was pointing out that it’s dropped significantly for Democrats too, and the overall point is that we can’t rely on society as a whole to do/believe what’s right and protect us.
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I’ve always said that ultimately the only people we can rely on are ourselves, the queer community.
Ive had a large amount of people lately telling me about reaching across the aisle and “killing them with kindness” etc.
It’s like why. These people have no interest in listening or engaging with us in a good faith way. We have to advocate for ourselves
The people who talk about kindness are centrists. They’re the same people who want compromise between the left, who want rights and protections for citizens, and the right, who want to demonize and murder people. Do not tolerate centrists.
yeah, anyone trying any kind of “both sides make good points” argument these days is probably someone whose personal rights are not at stake.
They are also almost certainly a Republican who is pretending not to be one in order to gain credibility.
Don’t trust anyone who wants to meet half way. Half way between “genocide” and “no genocide” is “half a genocide” which is known as genocide.
There are three kinds of people who say “both sides” the apathetic, the Fascists, and the Libertarians (IE. Republicans who figured out being a republican makes everyone hate them)
The US Libertarian Party is really rather removed from libertarian parties of other natures or typical libertarian ideology. As far as I can tell the major difference between being US Libertarian or Republican is that Libertarians actively do not care if they’re hated. Notoriously, Penn Gillette divorced himself from libertarianism because the Libertarian Party got too obnoxious for him.
Typically, Republicans trying to distance themselves from Republicanism pretend to be conservative independents. Bill O’Reilly has asserted such as has others on the FOX News cast. (Tucker Carlson, maybe? I wonder if it’s a FOX News editorial guidelines to assert party neutrality, even as they were giving Trump softball interviews or letting him rant on the phone for 60+ minutes at a time.)
100% this. My parents live in a red-ish county. They’re very liberal themselves but constantly go on about how lovely people are up there and how they’ll really help you when you need it
That’s all fine and dandy, but I’m sorry I can’t help but see them as people voting against my rights
Why would I want to kill them with kindness when they’d much sooner kill me with a knotted rope and a sycamore?
yup. we have to raise hell ourselves, because even the non-queers who nominally support us won’t always fight for us.
Please keep in mind that the demographic they’re talking about don’t do any critical thinking; they just parrot the latest hate-fueled diatribe from Fox/Newsmax/OAN/CNN. This is how conservative “politics” works in the US. If they aren’t oppressing people, attacking workers, veterans, women, or minorities, and leveraging tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the poor, they’re busy stacking the deck so they can in the future.
The GOP jump seems notable and steep, but the Democratic dip feels like it’s in line with the normal noise and variance that you get with a reoccurring survey.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/507230/fewer-say-sex-relations-morally-acceptable.aspx
You’re going to get normal peaks and valleys with a reoccurring survey. The respondent pools are never identical year over year. And with progressives, who skew younger and don’t answer phone surveys, you’re going to have even more noise.
You relied on republicans?!
I think the point is that there was also a dip with Dems. But IMHO, as someone who runs a lot of surveys for a living, the key it to look at the overall trend line, not one data point. And the overall democratic trend line over the past few years seems to have some noise in it that vacillates + or - 5% from the trend line.
The GOP line though… that feels like a change from historical trend line.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/507230/fewer-say-sex-relations-morally-acceptable.aspx
No, I was pointing out that it’s dropped significantly for Democrats too, and the overall point is that we can’t rely on society as a whole to do/believe what’s right and protect us.