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It’s crazy to see Sony kill their golden goose.
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I was going to get this game. Now I’m not.
Indeed
I was also waiting for a sale, but won’t bother now.
You are in one of those 177 countries arent you?
No. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of changing the TOS after sale. That’s some grade A bullshit, and if we had decent consumer protection laws doing that would be illegal without an opportunity for a full refund. It blows my mind how many people seem to be okay with this in general. It’s not the Sony account that’s the issue for me, it’s Sony changing the terms when it clearly was not a requirement at release. Sony isn’t the only one guilty of this, but they are the most recent example.
It was always a requirement. But was temporarily paused due to technical reasons.
Now they are starting to enforce what always was a requirement.
The real fuckup is selling the game in countries where PSN is unavailable.
So no. Hate it as much as you want. But they didn’t suddenly change the condition. The condition was always there.
It was optional. Sony’s FAQ also changed on May 3.
Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC?
Before May 3 “Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC.”
After May 3 “Some PlayStation games may require you to sign in and link an account for PSN.”
Sorry for the Reddit link but there’s a lot more discussion happening there:
https://www.reddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1cjuryr/they_lied/
Chill my dude. I was kidding
Doesn’t seem targeted at you, they’re making a good point
I didn’t feel targeted or offended. It was indeed a joke at the possibility of getting a moral freeride because OP was forced to, due to their country being delisted
It was really great, but the constant “balance changes” to remove fun and increase stress really outline to us why military fuckin’ loves the game.
They need their ptsd stoked more than they need a good video game.
The balance changes are fine. There’s a lot to legitimately criticize here, why bring that up? Playing the game in its own right is amazing fun, in fact, the game being so good is why all of these surrounding problems hurt that much more.
Sorry you didn’t like it, maybe you should try something more suitable to your abilities. Turn based maybe?
You say that as if turn-based is not the superior form of game.
Yes… If you prefer the edge of your enemy dulled. What is real time if not extremely frequent turns? That’s why Starcraft is the best game.
Mate, Stephen Hawking was one of the smartest people on the planet, and I bet he preferred turn based over starcraft. Motor skills are not the same as strategic intelligence. Starcraft is a game with a solved meta, which prioritises motor skill over strategy. It’s basically football as far as the intellectual difficulty goes.
And I say this as someone whose favourite strategy game is starcraft. Not because I think it’s a well designed game, but because the Zerg are sexy and I want to fuck a hydralisk.
All Sony had to do was nothing and they still fucked it up.
In Australia, we’d call it the Bradbury strategy, named after a speed skater who won a gold medal when the 4 or so skaters in front of him fell over on the final lap. Keep doing your thing and wait for everyone else to fuck up.
I would strongly disagree with the “does nothing” part. Steam has always been improving itself constantly through the years.
Sure, but they don’t change the stuff that works.
In other circles I believe this is referred to as the “Luigi method”
I love how the same people shitting on billionaires and their evil corporations, are jerking off to Steam and Gabe the billionaire
See, this is why the liveservice model is fundementally bad. Even if they don’t fuck it up on launch, they can always fuck it up later.
Stick to offline folks.
And even if we accept that it was always intended to be PSN-only and they decided to launch before PSN integration was done, the fact that multiplayer is entirely dependent on them providing a service is troubling. That’s how we lose games.
I can still launch Rainbow Six 3 and play multiplayer with my friends because it has the server built in and allows direct connect via IP address. You can’t do that with a live service game; once the official servers are down the game becomes (partially or completely) lost media.
While on this subject:
Successful launch and so much good will burned in a few days because of greedy MBAs proposing their “brilliant” profit guaranteed extraction strategy.
How are they even making a profit with it? Does the psn account cost money?
Might not end up making Sony any money, but I’m sure an executive is getting a well-deserved bonus off the back of that nice-looking bump in PSN account numbers.
It is free. But they can gather data, get you into their ecosystem, hopefully making it more likely you buy a playstation or other playstation published games. Eventually maybe they want to have cross progress between pc and playstation or have playstation achievements on pc, maybe their own steam like client.
Ultimately these countries are probably responsible for less than 5% of their total sales. Most of them are either tiny or poor or both. It does have countries like Egypt, Albania, Serbia, Morocco and Algeria but most of the banned countries are irrelevant in terms of sales.
They can steal your data if you’re logged into a PSN account, and down the line the plan (which they don’t want to admit) is to get PC players paying for a multiplayer subscription like on console.
That data is worth fucking garbage.
Someone made an idiotic decision and cannot lose face by backtracking.
It’s clear Sony is a garbage company since at least the 2011 hack in how they conduct themselves. How they have treated so many of their studios terribly. Late implementation of 2FA. Treating people like shit with customer service if you were hacked, or need repairs. Can’t implement basic features with each new console Gen. Can’t be bothered to support their own goddamned handheld. On and on.
Even before that, considering the music division put copy-protection rootkits on CDs that often broke computers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Remember when Sony promised PSN would always be free? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Can’t have shit these days.
I blame Shark Tank.
Love watching rich S.O.Bs kill capitalism, but hate the consequences.
I blame unhinged neoliberal capitalism
you basically said the same word three times there!
Why?
They’re non-psn countries.
How is PSN not in that many countries?
That’s the question both the developers and players are asking the publisher.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/
If we find the median item on this list we get #117 which is Central African Republic with a population of 5.7 million or 0.07 % of the global population.
It would be very easy for a large multinational to ignore the smaller nations and focus their efforts on the larger markets.
Not that simple. There’s more factors like connectivity. Some areas of Africa is pretty much only phones.
You can play Helldivers on a mobile data connection. And besides, Steam is there.
Also lmao most of Australia, by landmass, is only phones or no internet at all. But PSN is in Australia.
It’s apparently in 73 countries. So it seems the number quoted here includes a lot of non-countries, such as parts of countries (e.g. South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, which has no population and is a territory of the UK).
So it’s still bad, just not as bad as the post title makes it out to be.
Line must go up
Added Unknown country code: XD
Also known as Dubai (TIL)
TIL too. This lone source told me it’s from WorldBase? Why would Steam use these? They don’t even have any country codes!
Why is Antarctica on the list? Is it considered a country?
Because whether it is a country or not the researchers working there need an outlet. It’s either games or kill each other. And the PSN isn’t available.
So that leaves… oh 😳
There is 1 imposter among us
Antartic treaty says it’s not part of any country, but I guess steam is available there.
Who’s gonna think about the 4 helldivers playing Helldivers 2 in Helvete?
We are all of equal value, citizen.
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