• Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
    39·
    5 months ago

    Boeing has since been expanding who they kill to include passengers on their commercial airplanes along with whistleblowers. Can’t say they’re not trying.

  • Ms. ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml
    25·
    5 months ago

    Fun fact: Lockheed uses Unity to make XR training apps and Unity used to (maybe still does I’m not sure) partner with them to help build said apps

  • BmeBenji@lemm.ee
    22·
    5 months ago

    Slightly off-topic but I really enjoyed the way Horizon Zero Dawn (spoilers ahead) illustrated the military industrial complex with Ted Faro. The dude was so convinced he was right about everything that not only did he help create the deadliest legion of machines ever conceived, he also deleted all knowledge acquired by humanity because he fucked up so bad that he thought anyone less smart than him (read:everyone else) would fuck up just as bad if not worse with the same knowledge. I imagine most real military contractors are lead by people who are similarly humble

    • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      3·
      5 months ago

      That pissed me off so much. I really wanted the world to gain access to APOLLO (I’m not saying i thought the story was bad, rather that it was good and I was very invested) (please don’t spoil forbidden west for me in case that comes up)

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    17·
    5 months ago

    It’s none of those. General Dynamics produces the humble 155mm artillery shell. It’s not flashy but artillery has killed more people than any other weapon in modern warfare.

  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
    8·
    5 months ago

    Huh, so I looked up the top 100 arms manufacturers in the world. 41% of them are the from the US, with the entire top 5 being from the US. The next biggest are china with 8%, and the UK with 7%.

  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
    2317·
    5 months ago

    Defense of Ukraine is a great example of how weapons can be used for good. But definitely not all that these companies do, as Gaza shows.

    • Pollux@leminal.space
      1615·
      5 months ago

      “Defense” is when you aid the overthrow of a government to replace it with a fascist one that kills eastern Ukrainians like in Donbass, DPR, LPR, and Crimea

      Then they wonder why Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine

      • Arelin@lemmy.zip
        141·
        5 months ago

        It’s defense because the US military industrial complex is “defending” its profit margins by creating instability far enough away that it won’t affect them, but that they can profit off of

        • Pollux@leminal.space
          119·
          5 months ago

          It’s a shame that people who say they support “Ukraine” usually mean the 2014 fascist coup gov instead of the Ukrainian breakaway regions resisting it.

        • Pollux@leminal.space
          7·
          5 months ago

          The neo-nazi one that attacked the trade union building and Eastern Ukrainians for resisting, yeah

          Looking up the 2010 elections should give you an idea of what the division in Ukraine is like

          I remember back in 2014 when even Redditors could tell the solution was to have Eastern Ukraine be a separate state so the coup gov wouldn’t be killing them for resisting. That’s what the people in the DPR and LPR were trying to do and were being bombed by the fascist state for it. At least Crimeans are free from it now ig.

        • Pollux@leminal.space
          136·
          5 months ago

          Correct, and I strongly support our Ukrainian comrades in the DPR and LPR in their resistance against the fascist coup government.

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
            48·
            5 months ago

            I was more thinking when Russia invaded and tried to encircle Kyiv and whatnot. But yeah, when you fight against an attacker, it’s defence. It’s a general term rather than a value position.

          • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
            511·
            5 months ago

            Yeah, the famous fascists that are actively working hard to join the EU, which we’ve seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks. You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.

            Notice how there was actually a change of power in that election - a known hallmark of fascist states.

            • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
              2·
              5 months ago

              which we’ve seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks.

              Wait are you being sarcastic here? Lmao

            • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
              1·
              5 months ago

              They outlawed starting a conversation in Russian. It was criminal for a business not first say something in Ukrainian. Like, imagine if Arizona tried to pass a law that criminalized conducting business in Spanish.

              • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
                1·
                5 months ago

                When did he get steamrolled? When he ensured that corrupt people were sentenced by a court before being jailed, or when he applied to join the famously pro-fascist EU?

      • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
        712·
        5 months ago

        Wow, I Wonder why everyone that’s left in the regime that deports and persecutes dissenters says they are in support of that regime?

        Ukraine never invaded anybody. Giving them weapons so they can throw out the people invading them, taking their land and molesting their people is a good thing. Russia has clearly shown that the only way to get rid of the plague that is Russian soldiers on foreign soil is to kill them. That’s why we have this war that Russia has chosen to engage in, and which Russia can choose to withdraw from at any time. That’s why Russians are dying by the hundreds of thousands.

          • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
            1·
            5 months ago

            Out of honest curiosity: Whats wrong with sopuli.xyz? I literally just picked a random instance when I joined Lemmy, and have never heard anything special about this instance.

            • Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              5 months ago

              Maybe because it’s the instance that hosts the largest pro fascist-coup gov community. Everything I’ve seen from it at least seems to enforce that stereotype

              • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
                1·
                5 months ago

                You actually have to elaborate on what you mean by “pro fascist-coup gov”, I honestly don’t know what fascists your talking about.

    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
      89·
      5 months ago

      Russian invasion has been a goddamn goldmine to weapon manufacturers. Not only those selling to Ukraine but also got a lot of European countries to re-arm and restart domestic production.

      • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
        59·
        5 months ago

        Yup, who would have though that Russia invading their neighbour suddenly caused the entirety of western Europe to start the largest investments in military and weapons manufacturing since the cold war?

        Looking at the results of this war so far (major expansion of NATO in the North, massively increased military spending in all of NATO, massively increased size of the Ukrainian military), you would almost think Putins goal was something completely different than preventing NATO expansion and “de-militarizing” Ukraine.

        It’s almost like the best way of preventing your neighbours from building huge militaries and joining alliances is by cooperating with them and helping them feel safe, rather than threatening, coercing and bombing them.

        • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
          59·
          5 months ago

          It is pretty funny how for us Finns, Putin managed with one move to do what decades of pro-NATO propaganda couldn’t and push us to join.

          • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
            3·
            5 months ago

            Lol at the people downvoting this like that isn’t exactly what happened: NATO had wanted Finland to join for years, but they didn’t want to join, for fear of provoking Russia. Putin shows the world that appeasement doesn’t work, and Finland joins in a heartbeat.

    • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
      1416·
      5 months ago

      It’s sad, but countries like Russia show us very clearly why nations that want peace need to prepare for war.

      I would love to not need to spend a cent on our military, or weapons manufacturing, but the hard reality is very clearly that if we aren’t capable of mass producing weapons, we’ll likely be invaded and killed.

      That’s a major part of the issue Europe is facing now: We’ve scaled down weapons production since the 90’s, and now that we suddenly need millions of artillery shells it takes time to rebuild production capacity.

      Hopefully Russia gets the picture soon, that we’ll keep scaling up until every Russian invader is gone, and we can go back to not spending money on war…

    • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.de
      715·
      5 months ago

      Jesus the answers to this are unhinged. Didn’t realize this space was quite that far up Putler’s ugly ass.

      • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
        11·
        5 months ago

        Induced demand – the production of weapons necessitates the use of weapons in order to keep shares from crashing. Like a shoe factory regularly changing the design and fashion to keep from flooding the market, blood is spilled to keep the 401Ks safe.

        Welcome to the Second Cold War, you’ve been here along.

          • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
            14·
            5 months ago

            Amazing, a century latter the blame is still squarely placed on Russia. Those people must not be capable of self-determination, am I right my good Cold Warrior? Good thing we had this stockpile of depleted uranium, by jingo! So what if it leaches into the groundwater? Canadian mining firms have been poisoning Ukrainian groundwater for decades now! What’s a little rare-earth-elements between allies, amiright?

            • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.de
              3·
              5 months ago

              Maybe Putler should stop attacking and invading free countries? I am sure the blame would lessen. Also, less raping in the invaded territories would go a long way, I guess.

              • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
                12·
                5 months ago

                Yeah yeah, you see the individual and not the historical pattern.

                Isn’t it funny that the US keeps doing this? The presidents are incidental, flitting in and out of office with the whim of the public. But the conflicts? Those last. Nuclear rockets parked in Yugoslavia one century, flooding Ukraine with weapons the next. You know children in Vietnam are, to this day, born with napalm induced complications?

                Doesn’t this all ring a little too familiar to you? Do you think maybe our grandparents had cute little nicknames for Khrushchev, comparing him to Hitler, when they were our age?

    • A Cool Dude@lemmy.mlOP
      1449·
      5 months ago

      Ukraine is ruled by a far right government along with Nazis

      • Sidyctism@feddit.de
        212·
        5 months ago

        Ever since Ukraine’s February revolution, the Kremlin has characterised the new leaders in Kiev as a “fascist junta” made up of neo-Nazis and anti-Semites, set on persecuting, if not eradicating, the Russian-speaking population.

        This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% barrier to enter parliament, although if they had banded together, and not split their vote, they would have probably slipped past the threshold.

        Lol your own sources are telling you that you talk BS

        Edit: found another one lol

        The odious Russian media tried to paint Ukraine as a land of Nazis, though that is patently wrong. Ukraine has a thriving Jewish community, and its far-right is still on the fringe. It’s the same in America.

      • menas@lemmy.wtf
        8·
        5 months ago

        The fascist issue is not a biggest concern than in Germany, US, France, and certainly not than in Russia. Of course every fascist must be fought, but it’s easy to denounce far-right in other countries. In the hearth of capitalism, a consistent anti-imperialist position shall fight the imperialism state. I’m not fan of the dude, but that pretty basics leninism

        About “nazi” that came to the west, it’s true, but your examples are very bad. Yea every male in germany during the 3rd Reich have to join the army. Of could they could desert, and having their family and their own life threaten, but that’s not make them nazi. None of them were in the nazi party or one of its organisation (like the SS). Adolf Heusinger may be another case, being a general is not the same responsibility and agentivity This a bad job because there is a lot of example of fascists kept at position of power in many countries, including the occupied germany and the french vichists. This lead to fascists laws and institutions being kept in those countries (some brigades dedicated to kill resistance converted in “anticriminal brigade” for example), and being used against decolonization.

        TL;DR you could demonstrate nazification of western countries, but in repeating russia propaganda, you fail to do so.

        • WhatTrees@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          6·
          5 months ago

          I, for one, am shocked, shocked that defenders of Russia are still using the same easily disproven lies to justify invading, occupying, and murdering a neighboring country.

          It’s not like Russia has a history of lying about its military operations in Ukraine or anything, right?

      • ikarushagen2@feddit.de
        74·
        5 months ago

        M8, russkiland tells all of us “ukraine nazi:C” because they fought and freed themself from a form of russian occupation. The moron who was kicked out in 2014 by the ukrainian people recieved a lot of money from russia to be their puppet state, like belarus is right now, but the people didn’t like to be such a country and fought for their freedom. That’s why vatnikstan invaded crimea and the donbas to keep their little puppet at their side, that’s why they kill and torture those who are innocent and just want to live in peace.