• newDayRocks@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    The complex part is that, if you stop the “genocide”, innocent people will still die (Oct 7). And if somehow this side you are protecting wins the conflict or even just gets the upper hand, then there will be a real, old fashioned type of genocide where they won’t be swayed by world opinion.

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      if you stop the “genocide”, innocent people will still die (Oct 7).

      This implies genocide started after October 7th. Please do basic research on the issue and you’ll find that’s not true. I’m happy to provide you links if you need.

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        And you are implying that Oct 7 was the first act of terrorism committed in this conflict by Palestine.

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          And you are implying that people fighting back against a genocidal aparthied state is equivalent to said genocide.

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            It does get complicated when Hamas claims to want the death or displacement of all the Jews in Israel. Both peoples have been failed by their leadership. You can’t fight back against one genocide with a different genocide and expect anything to improve.

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              You want it to be complicated given you’re citing a claim from the last century that has been withdrawn, and Hamas has undergone a massive shift since. Moreover, no matter how bad Hamas is, it does not excuse genocide. So no, it is not complicated when we identify a genocide.

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              Hamas is a creation of Israel’s genocide and aparthied. Eliminate the genocide and aparthied, and Hamas is forced to either change character or crumble.

              This is an unequal conflict in every measure, equalizing the sides is genocide denial.

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                I’m not saying anything is equal, I’m saying it’s complicated. Absolutely Israel must end the genocide and apartheid, but I really don’t think that’s all it would take to end hostilities. There needs to be a rebuilding, both of infrastructure and trust. I don’t see how that can happen under Israel or Gaza’s governments, they are being failed by their leadership.

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                  Any government of Palestine will be radically against Israel. It doesn’t matter who is in charge, the people of Gaza are dying rapidly.

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                    I condemn the genocide. I’m just saying that it’s also a complex issue; lasting peace will take positive and nuanced action, simply ending the invasion and apartheid of Gaza is only the beginning.

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                I’m not sure where you see any evidence of Hamas needing to change if they theoretically won the conflict. They absolutely would inflict a genocide of given the chance. To deny this is naive at best but most certainly just dishonest.

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      You are conflating a small fringe group with millions of people. You are using this conflation to justify an ongoing conflict that is a genocide.

      You are denying this genocide. And now you are saying that we need this genocide to prevent a genocide.

      You are either a fascist or unknowingly supporting a fascist ideology. Get help.

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        I’m differentiating this type of genocide with the type Palestine will undoubtedly perform if the shoe was on the other foot, hence why the issue is not simple.

        Lemmy keeps trying to push this idea that if the fighting stopped today and there was a ceasefire or peace, that Oct 7 wouldn’t just repeat at a later date. How many decades have we played this same song and yet the small fringe community here wants to pretend it will be different this time?

        And no matter how you want to frame that train of thought, or try to label it fascist etc, not agreeing to make peace with Hamas is not the same as condoning genocide. The fringe minority you claim is still in power and they still have hostages. They still enjoy the support of the Palestinians as they did on Oct 7. Hamas made Gaza a war zone, to not be against Israel fighting in said war zone is not supporting genocide.