On the west coast. Most polls that I’ve seen show that those aren’t progressive values, they are the vaules that most people have. The Democrats just keep chosing unpopular positions, because they care more about their donors than voters.
I mostly agree with you, which is why I voted 3rd party, and I still recommend that others vote. But voting can take a lot of time and effort, which most people are short on. I think a lot of people would vote, if they thought their vote counted, but with the two major parties we have, it clearly doesn’t.
I see it as less of “I can’t be bothered to make the effort; anything is fine”, and more of “Both of you fight against what I want, why would I bother”
I feel like “lets stop bombing children”, or “maybe people shouldn’t go bankrupt because of healthcare”, or “maybe the rich should pay their taxes”, or “stop backing a genocide”, or “we should probably get rid of torture facilities” are a far cry from “obliged to only vote for perfect candidates that they agree with 100% on everything.”
I’m all for voting for a candidate I don’t totally agree with, I do it every time. But lets not pretend that the Democrats are doing a good job of reaching out to their voter-base. There’s a reason their current polling is so low.
Bad analogies are bad
Which I also find understandable. I disagree with non-voters, but if both choices are terrible, and fight against what you want, I understand why people wouldn’t want to vote.
Maybe people wouldn’t call him “Genocide Joe” if he hadn’t backed a genocide. I always find it amazing that people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money, who chose genocide over winning the election.
Or… It could be that people have lost faith in the Democratic party. Look at their current approval rating. Look at Biden’s terrible presidency. Look at Biden and Harris’ terible campaigns. Look at the issues and policies that they ran on. All of that pushed people away from them based on the polling.
It’s easy to blame foreign influence, but it’s more productive to figure out why the supposedly left party ran to the right, and alienated their voting base. Did the Russian try to influence the election? Of course, I’d be surprised if they didn’t. But from what I saw, the Demcrats did more damage to themselves than the Russians could have hoped for.
My understanding is that for about 1/3 people, coffee acts as a crazy flush system
A lot of what he talks about prior to previous insurrections are pretty similar to what’s happening now.
*Some furries are a sexual kink. Many of them just like the look of animals.
I’m game, if they’ll let me in! I’ve been applying to jobs, and doing language learning for a couple of years now.
This reminds me of Sand Mandala
Once complete, the sand mandala’s ritualistic dismantling is accompanied by ceremonies and viewing to symbolize Buddhist doctrinal belief in the transitory nature of material life.
And how much is the new one raking in? They swapped out the person, but kept the problem.
Let me donate directly to Firefox development. Stop giving their terrible executives giant piles of money.
Quotes from one of his speeches:
…we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat….
So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah….
All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies….
…every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars, by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.
As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.
And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the mujahidin recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan…
And it all shows that the real loser is…you.
It is the American people and their economy.
Do these not have emergency shut-off switches? And why is he sitting so close to it? So many safety problems here
Yeah, that’s a totally fair perspective. I gave up on the Democratic party a long time ago, partly because their current lack of fight is exactly what I expect from them. I totally understand why people voted for Harris, but I disagree with their strategy. I feel like continuing to support the Democrats is like digging yourself out of a hole: No matter how much you dig, you’re still stuck in the hole.
I see Trump as a symptom of something bigger. Yes, I’m angry that he won, but I’m more angry at the ecosystem allows him to stay electable. And I think the Democrats are a large part of why that ecosystem is the way it is. Instead of cleaning things up, and fighting for their voter-base, they chose to build the systems that Trump is using. There’s an old saying: Democrats clean and load the gun, Republicans shoot it.
I desperately want the Democrats to be a party I believe in. But I after years of seeing them in action, I’m convinced that abandoning them is the right call. And I know I’m not alone. Look at how many people gave up on the Dems at the election, and how low their polling is right now. I think all of that abandonment is well deserved.
Some people want to try and fix the broken party, and I think that’s fine, I have no problem with them trying. But I think a third party is a better use of our time.
I feel like “lets keep bombing children”, or “we’re going to back a genocide harder than they are”, or “we’re going to do a better job of putting immigrants in prison” is indeed only slightly better than the Republicans position.
I voted against both of the two major parties because both the Democrats and the Republicans fight against what I want. They both are pro-genocide, pro-corporation, pro-war, etc. While I don’t think they are the same, both parties are pretty evil.
If the Republicans are a 2, the Democrats are a 3 at best. I’m looking for a 9 or a 10, and I’ll vote against both of the parties until one of them stop fighting against what I want, and start fighting for what I want.
I chose to vote 3rd party, knowing that they wouldn’t win, because I’d rather my vote be a vote against the both of them, than an endorsement of either one.
EDIT: I appreciate an honest question, trying to understand my point of view. These discussions tend to get a bit crazy, with a lot of baseless accusations and ad-hominem arguements. Thanks for taking it seriously!
I feel this meme in my busted neck :(