Oh hey, are you a feminist and take offense to people using everyday terms?
I’m not offended, I’m amused. Simply describing the way one’s language choices could be interpreted has become offensive to you.
Like, I think saying “feminist” without being specific is itself a very specific signal, because “feminism” isn’t just one thing and the various movements under that umbrella diverge wildly. I can tell by your usage in this context that you’re not actually interested in my opinions on the matter, you just want to simplify me away with a label. Because if I’m a feminist then you’ve already heard whatever it is I might have to say and you could disregard me without consequence, right?
How do you suggest someone asks in normal everyday conversation…?
“Hey, would it be a problem if I described [noun] as [other noun]?” Seems pretty simple and direct.
No one has provided grammar advice.
Potato-potahto.
It’s not misogynistic, thats the entire point here. It’s only misogynistic to a very small portion of people and they haven’t even done a great job explaining why either.
Said the (presumptive) male, as if my word choice in that first sentence fragment wouldn’t have been more at home in a nature documentary than a normal conversation.
If the male is offended by descriptions of his language or the dehumanizing tone in these last few comments, then he will either ragequit the conversation, try for a some sort of written jab to regain a sense of dominance, or maybe even learn something about why people think it’s sexist to refer to a person or group of people solely by their sex.
We know you think sex and gender are supposed to be synonymous, but the simple fact of the matter is that they never have been. Not even linguistically.
Funnily enough, you were labeling people first, and the only source someone posted to defend this entire thing is a feminist oped. So yeah it’s a feminist issue if the only ones trying to bring it to light is the one particular group lmfao.
Why would the need to ask that question come up in the first place? Yeesh.
And? I’m not using labels as an excuse to ignore you, dismiss critique, or disparage any group. I’m using labels because the limitations of language don’t give us any choice but to name whatever it is we’re discussing.
and the only source someone posted to defend this entire thing is a feminist oped.
Thank you for confirming my earlier assessment.
So yeah it’s a feminist issue if the only ones trying to bring it to light is the one particular group lmfao.
If you’re unwilling to engage with a critique on its own terms or provide any other context for your dismissal, then I must assume that your rejection of “feminism” is based on nothing.
The fact that you’ve become so incensed by something which you yourself keep bringing up leads me to believe that this topic is something of an obsession for you, and the lack of even a casual familiarity with the topic of your obsession implies that your interest was not internally-motivated.
So, I ask you, who did you get this opinion from? Why have you adopted it for yourself? Have you ever examined it critically? Has it brought you any tangible or social benefits? Would your current mode of thinking be threatened by a different perspective? If so, would you still be willing to risk changing your mind to learn more?
Why would the need to ask that question come up in the first place? Yeesh.
For the very scenario you described, where you wanted to know if certain language choices would offend someone.
I’m unwilling to listen to a feminist bloviate about words that they don’t like and try to tell other people they are unacceptable. For no other reason than a few people use it inappropriately.
It’s also funny how women just throw out the term incel as soon as they think an apparent male doing something they don’t like. Thats you here by the way… you are the only one in this entire chain to start using labels. So you even know what the term means? Because it doesn’t even remotely apply in this case… yeesh…
It’s a red flag it identify feminists, very few people like dealing with them.
This cancel culture is bullshit lmfao. But keep thinking you are gonna make a difference. It’s been a decade and it’s gone no where it’s a lost cause, move on lmfao. All it’s doing it showing the general public to avoid interacting with the group of people.
Holy fucking yeesh with some people trying to get everything canceled since it hurts their little snowflake feelings.
I’m unwilling to listen to a feminist bloviate about words that they don’t like and try to tell other people they are unacceptable. For no other reason than a few people use it inappropriately.
An unwillingness to consider other perspectives is a symptom of a repressed mind, especially in this context where you’ve admitted that they are at least partially correct in their analysis.
It’s also funny how women just throw out the term incel as soon as they think an apparent male doing something they don’t like. Thats you here by the way… you are the only one in this entire chain to start using labels. So you even know what the term means? Because it doesn’t even remotely apply in this case… yeesh…
Would you like some assistance in learning to speak such that people won’t immediately assume that you’re an incel, or did you just want to complain about the assumptions people make about you because of your language choices?
It’s a red flag it identify feminists, very few people like dealing with them.
Please define what you mean by “feminist”, because it’s not clear to me what this term means to you.
This cancel culture is bullshit lmfao.
I think people who use the term “cancel culture” to refer to the consequences of one’s own speech to be a form of virtue signaling. They want to be able to speak offensively without having their charachter judged negatively for it, a patently ridiculous notion when they themselves judge the criticism of others just as harshly.
But keep thinking you are gonna make a difference.
I’m under no illusions there, lol. You’ve already indicated multiple times that you are unwilling to engage in good faith with the very topic of this discussion.
It’s been a decade and it’s gone no where it’s a lost cause, move on lmfao.
If that were true, then why are Republicans spending so much effort to resist diversity, equity, and inclusion policies? If the situation were as hopeless as you describe then there would be no need.
All it’s doing it showing the general public to avoid interacting with the group of people.
I can see how, from the perspective of an incel, that might seem to be true. After all, if you only talk to people who share your point of view, then you’ve closed yourself off from learning about what “the general public” actually thinks and could easily mistake one’s own in-group for a representative sample of the population.
Holy fucking yeesh with some people trying to get everything canceled since it hurts their little snowflake feelings.
I’d find this argument a lot more persuasive if the term “cancel culture” wasn’t so excessively broad as to be applied to any form of criticism.
If you genuinely believe this, then you should grow some thicker skin so you can ignore the “snowflake feelings” that drove you to comment in this thread.
If you think every discussion or argument has to end with one winning and another losing, that explains everything about this interaction and speaks volumes about your character as a person.
Stereotypical feminist, has to have your way lmfao.
I don’t, which is precisely why I was worried that you’ve given up.
My goal in having this conversation was to help you come to terms with the fact that other people will always judge you for your speech in the same way that you judge “feminists” for “bloviating”, and that you have it within your power to choose what sort of impression you give by choosing different words.
But I understand projection as a defense mechanism, so go right ahead, “have your way”, and claim your conversational victory.
I’m not offended, I’m amused. Simply describing the way one’s language choices could be interpreted has become offensive to you.
Like, I think saying “feminist” without being specific is itself a very specific signal, because “feminism” isn’t just one thing and the various movements under that umbrella diverge wildly. I can tell by your usage in this context that you’re not actually interested in my opinions on the matter, you just want to simplify me away with a label. Because if I’m a feminist then you’ve already heard whatever it is I might have to say and you could disregard me without consequence, right?
“Hey, would it be a problem if I described [noun] as [other noun]?” Seems pretty simple and direct.
Potato-potahto.
Said the (presumptive) male, as if my word choice in that first sentence fragment wouldn’t have been more at home in a nature documentary than a normal conversation.
If the male is offended by descriptions of his language or the dehumanizing tone in these last few comments, then he will either ragequit the conversation, try for a some sort of written jab to regain a sense of dominance, or maybe even learn something about why people think it’s sexist to refer to a person or group of people solely by their sex.
We know you think sex and gender are supposed to be synonymous, but the simple fact of the matter is that they never have been. Not even linguistically.
Funnily enough, you were labeling people first, and the only source someone posted to defend this entire thing is a feminist oped. So yeah it’s a feminist issue if the only ones trying to bring it to light is the one particular group lmfao.
Why would the need to ask that question come up in the first place? Yeesh.
And? I’m not using labels as an excuse to ignore you, dismiss critique, or disparage any group. I’m using labels because the limitations of language don’t give us any choice but to name whatever it is we’re discussing.
Thank you for confirming my earlier assessment.
If you’re unwilling to engage with a critique on its own terms or provide any other context for your dismissal, then I must assume that your rejection of “feminism” is based on nothing.
The fact that you’ve become so incensed by something which you yourself keep bringing up leads me to believe that this topic is something of an obsession for you, and the lack of even a casual familiarity with the topic of your obsession implies that your interest was not internally-motivated.
So, I ask you, who did you get this opinion from? Why have you adopted it for yourself? Have you ever examined it critically? Has it brought you any tangible or social benefits? Would your current mode of thinking be threatened by a different perspective? If so, would you still be willing to risk changing your mind to learn more?
For the very scenario you described, where you wanted to know if certain language choices would offend someone.
I’m unwilling to listen to a feminist bloviate about words that they don’t like and try to tell other people they are unacceptable. For no other reason than a few people use it inappropriately.
It’s also funny how women just throw out the term incel as soon as they think an apparent male doing something they don’t like. Thats you here by the way… you are the only one in this entire chain to start using labels. So you even know what the term means? Because it doesn’t even remotely apply in this case… yeesh…
It’s a red flag it identify feminists, very few people like dealing with them.
This cancel culture is bullshit lmfao. But keep thinking you are gonna make a difference. It’s been a decade and it’s gone no where it’s a lost cause, move on lmfao. All it’s doing it showing the general public to avoid interacting with the group of people.
Holy fucking yeesh with some people trying to get everything canceled since it hurts their little snowflake feelings.
An unwillingness to consider other perspectives is a symptom of a repressed mind, especially in this context where you’ve admitted that they are at least partially correct in their analysis.
Would you like some assistance in learning to speak such that people won’t immediately assume that you’re an incel, or did you just want to complain about the assumptions people make about you because of your language choices?
Please define what you mean by “feminist”, because it’s not clear to me what this term means to you.
I think people who use the term “cancel culture” to refer to the consequences of one’s own speech to be a form of virtue signaling. They want to be able to speak offensively without having their charachter judged negatively for it, a patently ridiculous notion when they themselves judge the criticism of others just as harshly.
I’m under no illusions there, lol. You’ve already indicated multiple times that you are unwilling to engage in good faith with the very topic of this discussion.
If that were true, then why are Republicans spending so much effort to resist diversity, equity, and inclusion policies? If the situation were as hopeless as you describe then there would be no need.
I can see how, from the perspective of an incel, that might seem to be true. After all, if you only talk to people who share your point of view, then you’ve closed yourself off from learning about what “the general public” actually thinks and could easily mistake one’s own in-group for a representative sample of the population.
I’d find this argument a lot more persuasive if the term “cancel culture” wasn’t so excessively broad as to be applied to any form of criticism.
If you genuinely believe this, then you should grow some thicker skin so you can ignore the “snowflake feelings” that drove you to comment in this thread.
Wow, more bloviation.
What a shocker.
Is that it? You’re giving up?
If you think every discussion or argument has to end with one winning and another losing, that explains everything about this interaction and speaks volumes about your character as a person.
Stereotypical feminist, has to have your way lmfao.
I don’t, which is precisely why I was worried that you’ve given up.
My goal in having this conversation was to help you come to terms with the fact that other people will always judge you for your speech in the same way that you judge “feminists” for “bloviating”, and that you have it within your power to choose what sort of impression you give by choosing different words.
But I understand projection as a defense mechanism, so go right ahead, “have your way”, and claim your conversational victory.
I’ll be here when you’re ready to learn.