How the fuck does actually going out to protests and being arrested in the process count as slacktivism? Have you been arrested for what you believe in?
I don’t go out and protest. Not my thing. I have a job.
I write my senators and I donate to politicians who share my values. Anyone who supports fracking. Doesn’t get a dollar for me. Anyone who is anti-abortion. Doesn’t get a dollar from me.
Can you list how the world has changed since her protest? Doesn’t seem overly effective.
Eyyy, look at this guy. He openly supports the political ideology whose representatives worldwide have stonewalled every action to combat climate change, and he thinks we should give anything he says on the subject due consideration.
Tesla has serious quality control issues. They have serious design issues like being deliberately obtuse in the name of “innovation”. They haven’t made any significant improvements to any of their cars since the launch.
Most importantly, they have serious leadership issues. Particularly, a long history of deception and broken promises.
Musk was in the right place at the right time to launch Tesla. He’s got a pretty good corner on the battery market, and hopefully he doesn’t abuse that.
You vote against your own self-proclaimed interests.
You can’t vote conservative in the 21st century without being either a self-interested jackass trying to protect your own hoard of wealth, or an idiot who has been convinced by the wealth hoarders that conservatives are looking out for anyone but them.
The people you vote for are the reason why this planet is on a collision course with fucked. The only reason Elon started bought an electric car company is because he saw a market ripe for exploitation and convinced idiots that he was a Stable Genius who wanted to save the world so they’d buy his shittily-made cars. He’s the richest person on the planet and could easily solve untold numbers of problems threatening humanity and Earth by himself, but he’ll only do the things that will make him even more money in the process.
I vote for my own interest but thanks for the advice.
Neither party has a viable solution for climate change. I think the democrats is worse than the republicans.
Also you don’t understand wealth. If Elon converted his wealth to cash, he’d no longer be at Tesla, space x, boring, etc. that wealth is the value of those companies.
Personally I’d like to see him take a step back from Tesla before he runs it into the ground but I doubt he will.
Oh well gee I stand corrected. You’re a paragon of climate conscientiousness. I will not take anyone who posts articles from Fox News seriously. Actually in any matter come to think of it.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she babbles speaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?
Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Because that is what the quoted argument boils down to. Apathy because it can’t be done instantly. No alternative solutions, just giving up.
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit.
I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable.
The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Did you even read the article? That’s literally what they’re calling for. The removal of subsidies.
As for everyone needing to pitch in, just no. The vast majority of emissions come from sources outside public control. The “everyone needs to pitch in” and “watch your personal carbon footprint” crap is just effective marketing from BP.
Not saying cutting down personal emissions is bad, every little helps…
but it’s not a solution. We need to be holding the big emmiters accountable.
The only realistic way to doing that is through inconvenient protests like blocking roads and making sure we can’t be ignored. How else do you force governments to turn on their benefactors?
It’s been over 50 years now, and we’ve seen very little real movement on this. it’s been mostly token and empty gestures, and pandering. It’s time we stepped up our game.
Addicted to the attention? I know nothing about her except her age and her stance on climate change
She doesn’t go off topic, she doesn’t do talk shows. Maybe she loves the attention deep down, but she stays on mission…She doesn’t abuse the privilege. She’s allowed to enjoy the process, I hope she does.
I challenge you to follow your convictions to that extent
We need more like her who take the threat as a threat and act like it’s a threat.
Being “serious” or calm about it is not working, and catastrophically so.
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Exactly. They’ve come here to troll and look for a fight. Don’t engage them.
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Your response is a troll response. In no way do you engage in the topic or the argument
While you may think slacktivism is valuable. I don’t.
How the fuck does actually going out to protests and being arrested in the process count as slacktivism? Have you been arrested for what you believe in?
I don’t go out and protest. Not my thing. I have a job.
I write my senators and I donate to politicians who share my values. Anyone who supports fracking. Doesn’t get a dollar for me. Anyone who is anti-abortion. Doesn’t get a dollar from me.
Can you list how the world has changed since her protest? Doesn’t seem overly effective.
not everyone has the privilege of using money to get politicians to do what they want.
Everyone can donate. You just have to prioritize things in your life.
most people prioritize food and housing and bills over paying off politicians.
again, not everyone is in your privileged position of being able to afford to pay off politicians to do what you want.
So you’re a slacktivist. Makes sense.
Hey, thanks for letting me know I need to block you and your community.
K, thx, bi!
I’d like to engage in discussion with you, what exactly is slacktivism as you define it?
Update: 5 hours and no response to me but plenty of others in this post. Clearly not discussing in good faith.
And? Where is my point wrong?
Eyyy, look at this guy. He openly supports the political ideology whose representatives worldwide have stonewalled every action to combat climate change, and he thinks we should give anything he says on the subject due consideration.
What a jokester.
He’s a mod for a conservative community and he’s drinking the Kool aid HARD
Yeah Tesla sure is against electric cars.
Tesla is against good electric cars.
Tesla is a phenomenal car. The best electric on the market.
https://www.tesla-fire.com/
Teslas are less likely to catch fire than an ice car.
https://driveelectriccolorado.org/myth-buster-evs-fire/
Tesla has serious quality control issues. They have serious design issues like being deliberately obtuse in the name of “innovation”. They haven’t made any significant improvements to any of their cars since the launch.
Most importantly, they have serious leadership issues. Particularly, a long history of deception and broken promises.
Musk was in the right place at the right time to launch Tesla. He’s got a pretty good corner on the battery market, and hopefully he doesn’t abuse that.
Quality is universally true. The only issue I’ve had is some paint issues. The paint is 100% garbage.
Innovation ? They’ve had plenty. The octovalve is a perfect example.
Electric cars don’t help save the planet, they help save the car industry.
Walkable / bikeable cities, and better public transit are better.
Well first your insinuation you’re part of the cause. We’ll start there.
I’m part of the cause by driving electric and running solar? Please elaborate.
You vote against your own self-proclaimed interests.
You can’t vote conservative in the 21st century without being either a self-interested jackass trying to protect your own hoard of wealth, or an idiot who has been convinced by the wealth hoarders that conservatives are looking out for anyone but them.
The people you vote for are the reason why this planet is on a collision course with fucked. The only reason Elon
startedbought an electric car company is because he saw a market ripe for exploitation and convinced idiots that he was a Stable Genius who wanted to save the world so they’d buy his shittily-made cars. He’s the richest person on the planet and could easily solve untold numbers of problems threatening humanity and Earth by himself, but he’ll only do the things that will make him even more money in the process.I vote for my own interest but thanks for the advice.
Neither party has a viable solution for climate change. I think the democrats is worse than the republicans.
Also you don’t understand wealth. If Elon converted his wealth to cash, he’d no longer be at Tesla, space x, boring, etc. that wealth is the value of those companies.
Personally I’d like to see him take a step back from Tesla before he runs it into the ground but I doubt he will.
You think the Republicans (drill baby, drill) have a better answer than Democrats (subsidize Green energy)…
I’m for nuclear power. It’s more sustainable.
Oh well gee I stand corrected. You’re a paragon of climate conscientiousness. I will not take anyone who posts articles from Fox News seriously. Actually in any matter come to think of it.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
Hmm… seems like you should thank her.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she
babblesspeaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
Never argue with an idiot. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
She damages the vision.
I don’t know anyone she’s rallied. She’s universally made fun of this country.
What has changed since she’s been ranting? Nothing. She wants the focus on her and not the issue
Ah, Neuromancer doesn’t know anyone she’s rallied. My bad, case closed then! lmao
She literally formed the largest climate protest movement in the world, while you sit here and spread dumbass conspiracy bullshit about her.
I never said anything about a conspiracy. I said she an idiot who really isn’t helping.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
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What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
In case I need it, /s.
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
“It can’t be done instantly overnight so why even bother trying to do it slowly?”
🙄
Why do people such as yourself read such a long comment, only to try to squeeze something out to disagree with?
I never said that. I never said anything of the sort. What drives you to do such a thing?
Because that is what the quoted argument boils down to. Apathy because it can’t be done instantly. No alternative solutions, just giving up.
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Chicago was pretty good. I could do most things using the L. I don’t do buses. Not my type of crowd
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit. I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable. The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Did you even read the article? That’s literally what they’re calling for. The removal of subsidies.
As for everyone needing to pitch in, just no. The vast majority of emissions come from sources outside public control. The “everyone needs to pitch in” and “watch your personal carbon footprint” crap is just effective marketing from BP.
Not saying cutting down personal emissions is bad, every little helps…
but it’s not a solution. We need to be holding the big emmiters accountable.
The only realistic way to doing that is through inconvenient protests like blocking roads and making sure we can’t be ignored. How else do you force governments to turn on their benefactors?
It’s been over 50 years now, and we’ve seen very little real movement on this. it’s been mostly token and empty gestures, and pandering. It’s time we stepped up our game.
Soooo she’s got the right idea imo
Addicted to the attention? I know nothing about her except her age and her stance on climate change
She doesn’t go off topic, she doesn’t do talk shows. Maybe she loves the attention deep down, but she stays on mission…She doesn’t abuse the privilege. She’s allowed to enjoy the process, I hope she does.
I challenge you to follow your convictions to that extent
Like when she threw the fit that the train didn’t give her first class. Yep, doesn’t abuse her privilege at all.