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  • ADHDefy@kbin.social
    145·
    1 year ago

    For me:

    1. Privacy reasons. When a comment is “deleted” on Lemmy, the comment is actually only hidden to all except instance administrators. The comment remains on the post and continues to display the poster’s username. kbin is also not a beacon of privacy, but it at least removes deleted comments from threads. This is also why I try to interact more on kbin magazines than Lemmy communities.

    2. kbin has a sweet community search tool that not only searches kbin magazines, but also Lemmy communities and even Mastodon groups. This means you can easily find communities all across the #Fediverse for any of your interests.

    3. kbin has a much nicer/more modern UI. It’s got some quirks, but it’s easier to read and navigate than Lemmy by default.

    4. Customization options! Lemmy has themes, which is cool, but kbin has themes and lots of fun toggles to change your experience.

    5. Last but certainly not least, Lemmy devs have a pretty shit stance on human rights. (See here: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379). There are communities like #Beehaw, which are super friendly and non-problematic instances separate from the Lemmy devs, but it’s worth noting that instances like Lemmy’s flagship instance and Lemmygrad are run by folks with some grossly misguided views.

      • Kill_joy@kbin.social
        15·
        1 year ago

        This is what did it for me. After 3 days of finally getting the hang of Lemmy and figuring shit out I learned about the devs and their beliefs.

        I don’t want to support humans like that and so I was very grateful to swap to kbin and continue to deepen my learnings of the Fediverse.

        • psycrow@lemmy.world
          12·
          1 year ago

          Bootlickers, of the communist variety. Not very nuanced people. The type of people who deny the atrocities of Soviet era countries, and some are even dumb enough to support North Korea and the current regimes of China and Russia. Some are from troll farms sponsored by those countries.

        • niktemadur@kbin.social
          11·
          1 year ago

          An apologist for communist dictatorships, who turn a blind eye to - or even justify - their human rights violations.

      • PlutoniumAcid@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        Could you please clarify: are you tailking about a particular Lemmy instance, or the entire Lemmy software product?

    • JollyRoberts@kbin.social
      15·
      1 year ago

      @ADHDefy mostly #3 for me. I am looking forward to the “hide interacted with threads” functionality to come to kbin. I’m patient though.

      Edited to note - i agree with the other points too.

      @Facni

      • TGRush@forum.fail
        1·
        1 year ago

        How far does “interacted with” go for you?

        as in, does clicking already count as interaction or would you need to comment or vote?

        if it’s just viewing the content, then this might be done using a simple userScript as Kbin already remembers which threads you’ve viewed on the homepage.

        • JollyRoberts@kbin.social
          4·
          1 year ago

          @TGRush

          for me any of the up/downvote, click in to view, or boost counts.

          I’m a scroller, but, like, if i see a joke in https://lemmy.world/c/dadjokes then i can chuckle and give it an upvote but i dont have to click in and load the thread fully. But the next time i load the page id lke to not have to scroll past that same thread to see new stuff.

          If i downvote something id like to not see it again on the next load. If i open a thread and read the comment posts, i dont need to see that thread again on tne next load.

          That sort of thing.

          It does have some downsides in that finding threads i /sort-of/ remember and want to check again is harder, but i’m used to that.

          @Facni @ADHDefy

    • Adama@kbin.social
      12·
      1 year ago

      Although, by nature of the federation, anything add and then deleted may already be replicated to other instances.

      Some of whom could instead show/retain a copy of it.

      Basically assume that everything will be available and associated with you forever. Even more so than usual.

      • Icalasari@kbin.social
        7·
        1 year ago

        Just made me realize that this causes a problem with GDPR. Will that cause issues in the future for the Fediverse?

        • Melpomene@kbin.social
          4·
          1 year ago

          Maybe? It would depend on the duties imposed on a third party re the GDPR. If your host instance removes your data and a different instance doesn’t, do they have a duty to do so? Do you have to make the request of each instance with a copy?

            • Melpomene@kbin.social
              3·
              1 year ago

              Unknown, but they at least believe that they’re covered by an exception:

              “As a library, the Internet Archive has, in the words of the GDPR, a “legitimate interest” in building collections, providing permanent public access, and maintaining archival integrity.”

              Whether they’ve had that tested in court I do not know.

    • thanksbrother@kbin.social
      8·
      1 year ago

      Personally I haven’t settled in on anything yet. I have accounts on several different KBin instances, a couple Lemmy instances, and Beehaw (which I guess is also a Lemmy instance)

      Currently for me it’s between Beehaw and Kbin. I like I can use either account to interact with either so at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter. Kbin looks MUCH nicer on the phone, but I like Beehaw’s moderation, broad-topic communities, etc. Alone, Beehaw would be too restrictive. Combined with Kbin and a couple Lemmy communities, eventually it’s going to just be a matter of using your favorite username@whatever and deciding which front-end you prefer. Beehaw is a little better for people that want to avoid porn and stuff though.

      If one platform begins developing much faster than the other, switch! Have a few accounts subscribed to all your favorite communities so they’re all locked and loaded and ready to use.

    • theblueredditrefugee@kbin.social
      7·
      1 year ago

      kbin has a sweet community search tool that not only searches kbin magazines, but also Lemmy communities and even Mastodon groups. This means you can easily find communities all across the #Fediverse for any of your interests.

      This convinced me to switch to kbin from lemmy. Looks like it has a better “sort-by-hot” functionality too far as I can tell.

      The nice thing is, I can always switch back, no cost to me

      • Nepenthe@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        So it’s true, then, that lemmy doesn’t have a community search tool? I still feel like I have to be misunderstanding somehow. It has to have a search function. How else is it supposed to federate to anything? I know people successfully search for kbin mags over there. How else would it even find its own communities? It can’t just be a big ass list, it would be too long to be usable.

      • Jonjanjer@feddit.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        Just FYI, while I do not disagree with you, the sort-by-hot ordering is bugged in the current lemmy version, which causes threads not to “cool off”. It will be fixed with the next update (fix is already done, just not shipped yet).

    • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      Regarding 5., I mean, you pointed out your way around that yourself. Create your account elsewhere. Lemmy is FOSS. If the devs do act shitty, one can fork their stuff and everyone can put it on their instances anyway.

      While I don’t want to defend them, because I did not investigate it further, I do have to say that I didn’t see anything weird on their profiles. Moreover, I totally get that they don’t really want to moderate their instances more than they absolutely have to. As in “if it’s not illegal, I don’t care.”

      It creates a shitton of work and moral dilemmas, plus you have do deal with bad shit every single day.

      • ChemicalRascal@kbin.social
        10·
        1 year ago

        Is there something wrong with choosing to avoid someone’s software because the developers are tankies, in your opinion?

      • hikeandbike@midwest.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I agree with you here.

        As a “product” I like how Lemmy works and would like to continue using it. That doesn’t mean I support or defend the devs. A “hate the artist, not the art” situation I’m still wrestling with, personally.

        I would hope, in the event this whole debacle starts to impact the development and features of Lemmy, that my home instance will move to a fork. If not, I can delete the account and move to kbin.

    • clygro@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      I strongly disagree with reason 3 as finding the list of magazines that I’m subscribed to is hidden in settings, while on Reddit it’s easy to access on the top bar. My home feed is doesn’t default to the magazines I’m subscribed to, I have to manually set it on a bar that doesn’t even seem like a sort button.

    • TWeaK@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 year ago

      Surely kbin’s federation with Lemmy means thus simply isn’t the case?

  • iNeedScissors67@kbin.social
    61·
    1 year ago

    For me it simply came down to the fact that I prefer the layout, and it’s also nice knowing I can block whole domains (looking at you, furry spammers). It also integrates with Mastodon if that’s your thing (it’s not my thing), and I have high hopes for the ability of Ernest (the founder and only dev, to my knowledge) to usher it in a good and healthy direction. I can see all content from Lemmy and interact with it though, so it really just comes down to personal preference.

    • OldFartPhil@kbin.social
      22·
      1 year ago

      Same here. I like the look, usability and layout of Kbin better. I do wish there were more users here at kbin.social, though, as the federated feed is more lively on the large Lemmy instances.

      • Kierunkowy74@kbin.social
        8·
        1 year ago

        I do wish there were more users here at kbin.social, though, as the federated feed is more lively on the large Lemmy instances.

        kbin.social has more MAU (Monthly Active Users) now, than all Lemmy combined! That is of course effect of the spike this month and shall fade only on July, but did you already see activity on kbin.social alone fading?

        • OldFartPhil@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          If I understand how the fediverse works (an open question :-)), the amount of activity on the home page/“all” feed/federated feed of an instance is dependent on how many magazines/communities the members are subscribed to. I’ve noticed that the “All” feed of the most established Lemmy instances have more posts than here at kbin.social. I would anticipate that situation improving over time as the community here grows and people increase the number of subscriptions they have. I would expect more (and more active) local magazines over time here, as well.

          • LambentMote@lemmy.nz
            4·
            1 year ago

            I suspect that may have something to do with kbin.social’s federation not working during it’s initial growth period. Lots of users joined up but could only subscribe to local communities. The more we embrace federated content the smaller the differences between each platform/instance.

    • callyral@readit.buzz
      7·
      1 year ago

      i’m a furry and out of the loop here, what’s going on with “furry spammers”? i saw this mentioned twice now which can’t be a coincidence

    • wreel@lemmy.sdf.org
      6·
      1 year ago

      Is kbin supported with a mobile app. I’ve been on Jerboa for Lemmy and it’s been pretty ok for beta.

      • iNeedScissors67@kbin.social
        22·
        1 year ago

        There’s one on the way to a beta (Artemis) but I just used the Firefox feature to place a webapp on my phone so I click that and it immediately opens in Firefox.

        • OldFartPhil@kbin.social
          16·
          1 year ago

          The kbin mobile website works fine in Safari on the iPhone, too. Looks just like the website adapted for a smaller screen and has all the same functionality. With the exception of notifications, it’s fine. And it’s early days, people will develop apps for the platform.

        • moralpanic@kbin.social
          4·
          1 year ago

          Will apps made for Lemmy (like Sync for Lemmy that was just announced) work with Kbin? Or is it a different API entirely?

        • root_beer@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          It’s called Artemis now, and you can sign up to beta test. For those who aren’t aware, check @hariette’s profile, she’s been posting pretty frequently about it

    • mrnotoriousman@kbin.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      Yeah I tried both Lemmy and Kbin when the reddit protest started and just really like the kbin UI/experience a lot more. It also comes up pretty nice on mobile too without an app.

    • Lucien@beehaw.org
      1·
      1 year ago

      Good God. On beehaw I had to block every furry community separately. Talk about annoying.

      • thanksbrother@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Until I reached the fediverse I had no idea just how many furry-enthusiasts were out there. The heart wants what the heart wants, I guess.

      • iNeedScissors67@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Oh God. About 6 years ago I was in Pittsburgh for work. I did get to see a Bruins/Penguins playoff game so that was nice, but I was at a Bridge conference (for people who design and build bridges, not the card game). Several hotel employees and taxi drivers warned me that a furry conference was coming the day our bridge conference ended. That was the first time I heard the term “furries”. Then they descended upon the city while I was still there. To this day it’s still the most intense culture shock I’ve ever had.

    • lavender@kbin.social
      25·
      1 year ago

      The lemmy devs tried denying it in an update, and then someone brought the receipts. I really do not want to support those devs.

    • foof@kbin.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      They seem to be worried that the Lemmy developers’ politics will influence how they design the software - for example, making moderation tools that favour certain powerful users. But rather than abandon Lemmy entirely, why not fork the code?

      • CoderKat@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        Same. I remember I viewed Lemmy first. I saw the sticky post saying to use different instances, so created an account on beehaw. Well, tried to. They only manually approved accounts, so I soon realized that wasn’t going to cut it, as I wanted to use the site immediately (I think it took a week to get the email saying the account got created).

        When I went back to look up suggestions for instances, I saw people suggesting to use kbin for this tanky reason, and thought, “well, that seems like a win win”.

        Kbin let me create an account and start posting right away. It hasn’t so far shown any red flags. And in fact Ernest has shown nothing but green flags so far. One particular case that stood out was when he was informed that he didn’t properly give attribution to some code he used (and was required by that code’s license) and he immediately posted admitting his mistake and apologizing. I admire people being able to admit when they were wrong.

        I don’t personally feel like the UI or features of kbin are any better than Lemmy (though not really any worse either – both seem to have some different issues). I think I’m somewhat still waiting to see how the feature development of the two might go. One worry I admittedly have is that of how many active devs each will have. I don’t think any major software can last long on a solo dev. And getting community contributions is vital for scaling.

  • MadWorks@lemmy.world
    7·
    1 year ago

    The main difference is the UI. A lot of people like the interface of Kbin over Lemmy, but really there’s nothing from stopping you choosing one or the other. I’m replying to you now from Lemmy.

  • Xperr7@kbin.social
    7·
    1 year ago
    1. I like the UI more
    2. Not developed by tankies
    3. Catchier name IMO (reminds me of GabeN, while Lemmy makes me think of Lemmings, which isn’t the best)
    4. Microblogs are neat
  • Hairyblue@kbin.social
    6·
    1 year ago

    A friend told me to try Kbin when the owner of Reddit turned out to be so terrible.

    I like it here.

  • missingno@kbin.social
    6·
    1 year ago

    Kbin’s software is much more impressive to me, despite being a lot newer it’s far more robust. Having dual functionality for both threads and microblogs is really cool for the Fediverse.

    And yeah, the tankie thing.

  • proximity3915@kbin.social
    6·
    1 year ago

    I’m new to Lemmy and kbin, so these points may be more a me-thing than a Lemmy/kbin-thing, but from what I can see:

    • Accessing Lemmy content from kbin is pretty seamless, but it’s difficult to access kbin from Lemmy.

    • kbin’s integration with Mastodon/microblogging fediverses is neat.

    • kbin seems to have more magazines catering to more of my specific interests and hobbies, while Lemmy’s communities are more generic.

    • This is specific to the instance I am on (beehaw.org), but I can’t access the Lemmy instance when I’m using ProtonVPN.

    • I just read through the Mastodon thread on how the Lemmy developers are not consistent with their own policies of human rights. While that doesn’t automatically mean that Lemmy is bad, I feel more comfortable using software by developers who are not known to be “tankies”.

  • Kierunkowy74@kbin.social
    5·
    1 year ago

    Wider layout, actually black text (compared to Lemmingish grey), and clearly distinguished boxes with comments. Plus several “skins”, including solarized light and dark. Less eye strain.

    • billothekid2@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      I just signed up a few days ago and didn’t realize there were different themes until this thread. Lol. Now I’ve got larger text, a solarized light theme, and rounded corners! Very exciting!

  • Khalic@kbin.social
    4·
    1 year ago

    The community on kbin seems nicer… I know, it’s impossible to say in a few days, but I’ve had a better experience here and on beehaw than other instances…

  • birlocke_@kbin.social
    4·
    1 year ago

    100% because the tankie thing.
    A long-time believer of “you can’t separate art from the artist”.