• VoterFrog@lemmy.world
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      This is not the same thing at all. Trump instituted a zero tolerance policy, separating any family caught crossing illegally with the stated intent to dissuade families from making the trip.

      Normally (including under Biden) the government separates children from suspected human traffickers or members of gangs that engage in trafficking. This is not to deter families. It’s to protect children - sending a child back to Mexico with a human trafficker is an abhorrent thing to do.

      Stop carrying water for Trump.

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      Standard Democrat fare - they’ll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.

      …but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they’re likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.

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        The democrats are following the law set up by the republicans underneath gwb.

        Unless you want biden to act like a dictator, there isnt much he can do considering the state of the senate/house.

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          Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.

          I’m in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it’s to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What’s the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?

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        It’s a standard good cop, bad cop routine. They’re playing off each other to keep the people perpetually in conflict, and scared. Both sides are convinced that every election means the end of democracy if they lose, and neither side is in a position to demand change, instead desperately trying to cling to the remnants of their former liberties.

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          I agree with the sentiment in the sense that they have shared class interests, but the GOP wants, and will institute massive, sweeping change for the worse as the Dems deliver a mixed bag in broad defence of the status quo that benefits them.

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            When was the last time that the Dems undid something that the GOP did? They throw their hands in the air and go “it sucks that the GOP did that! Oh well!”. As far as actually enacting policies, there are few, and they’re far in-between, but they’re considerably better than what the GOP does. The Affordable Care Act comes to mind as a piece of positive legislation, but that was over a decade ago now.

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              He rolled back changes to the endangered species protections earlier this year for one.

              You’re also neglecting to mention that they’re FAR less prone than the GOP to implement horrific, anti-democratic, regressive, fascistic policies than the GOP. While the Democrats are bad, the GOP is horrific - and when there’s only 2 available options and this much of a spread between them, you need to vote to slow the decline.

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        When the alternative is having those loved ones denied medical care, locked up, or shuffled off to the camps, yes.

        You don’t have to be happy about it, but you do have to keep the unabashed fascists out of power. There’s 1,458 other days in the election cycle to convince, cajole and bully the Democrats into being less bad.