cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/45204357
Yesterday, I created my account on Lemmy.ml because I want to become mod on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. And I posted this comic on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml It’s SDV game cutscene where Shane a NPC go watch Sports game with you kiss you accidentily but It was part of that event also player kiss Shane(NPC) back. Here’s video for more context. And someone claimed it have SA(Sexual Assualt) From Hexbear Ofcourse. So, I should delete it. I said it was a part of game cutscene. And If main player doesn’t love the Shane(NPC) then they don’t need to complete this event. And Just as a sarcasm I added Yeah we shoule delete this entire community because this game is Woke like Woke Detector Steam Group said. That user think I am some anti-woke dickhead something like that IDK. And tell me to Kill My Self. What I do now? I wanted on become mod on .ml because community was already well established. I message dessaline but I am sure he will not unbanned me. :(
Did I really did something wrong? I don’t know If I really did something wrong.
Link for that comic if embed doesn’t work.
Create one lemm.ee !stardewvalley@lemm.ee
Looks like a CLM situation here, but approaching PTB for how fast they ignored all context to wield the banhammer.
Yep, It’s CLM situation
Blocked the instance. Havent looked back.
I don’t usually block people because I genuinely like hearing any good faith opinions.
That being said, I’ve blocked the entire .ml instance.
Ml has become a sespool of bigots and propagandists like hexbear so you’re better off just leaving.
I was recently banned for calling someone who was calling for the death of all Americans an idiot.
One of the reason why our instance defederated from Hexbear. They’re not there to discuss in good faith, they’re there to incite and provoke, then they start crying if you reply back to their nonsense.
They’re not worth interacting with.
To be fair I’ve had good discussions with a few of them, so I can’t generalise.
But… yeah, some of them don’t quite realise that the childish behaviour that would be OK in HB is despised elsewhere, and that it’s the the major reason why their instance gets defederated so bloody often - it is not red scare, it’s “get the children back to the kindergarten so the adults can talk”.
Hexbear has been far more level-headed than Lemmy.world in my experience, it’s definitely red scare. Lemmy.world admins admitted as much on their end.
Dunno, but seeing you taking part in this and encouraging bad behaviour…
I agreed with the message, not the tone nor how it was delivered. You can see me elaborate in my own words on that thread.
If you have a problem with what I say, engage it directly.
Thank for your honnest reply. I consider you are encouraging them. If you disagree with the tone, can you tell OP to edit his message and remove insult ? So we can aknowledge it as proof of good faith.
Thank
If his comments aren’t breaking the rules and can stay up, I don’t see why you feel the need to strong-arm me into submission for “proof of good faith.” I have called out comrades before, I don’t do it every time, especially when I clarified my position on that thread already.
They are all breaking the rule, but i asked our modo team to let this post since i wanted to try talking with you all.
Otherwise, you would never change, neither them.
My main point is that you shouldn’t encourage people to do that because they will continu.
For example, when you are in a group that insult lonely people. There is a social mechanic, the harasser need supporters. It gives a sense of being in a group and loved. If we remove the supporter, then the harasser would have less reason to continue to do so, don’t you think ?
That’s why i asked you to talk to them because i also defend Hexbear, in my own way.
I believe you can have a positive change on them since they will be more willing to listen you. I believe you are the right person, you can take a more active role.
Every time I interacted there, I got pile-dived. They’re not level-headed at all most of the time. If one goes against the accepted positions, especially in things like “left unity” or North Korea, it’s all baiting and insults until most people are eventually banned as “liberals” at best for reacting to it.
Sure there’s a few mature people in it, but there’s way too many tankies who take being in hexbear as an excuse to be massive assholes as often as possible.
I think l.w. is also not perfect either as it’s pretty aggressively centrist, but at least it doesn’t feel like a kindergarden most of the time.
I think that a key distinction that we need to do here is between what happens inside their instance versus outside.
Inside their instance, you might get some shitty situations (like you being piledrived), but I think that what @Cowbee@lemmy.ml says holds some grounds - it’s mostly a space for Marxists. I don’t use it often because I have a better time lurking in Lemmygrad, but it has a reason to exist.
The main problem is once they leave. Then the piledriving becomes brigading; and all that implicit agreement that they have among themselves (such as “mayocide” being typically uttered by someone who’s themself light-skinned, and not genuinely preaching genocide of people based on skin colour) is suddenly not there, they’re discussing with people in a completely different mood, they’re in a situation where their political discourse will be in conflict with what others users say, they’ll be likely in the minority so prone to ask for backup…
Frankly I think that their decision to enable federation was a mistake.
Without knowing what got you dog-piled, you say it yourself, you broke the anti-sectarian rule. I do think that expecting to be treated with kindness when breaking instance rules directly is a bit of a tall order, especially if you use the term “tankie,” which these days just means “Marxist.”
As a Marxist, I’ve never had a problem on Hexbear, but many problems on Lemmy.world. I know you’re not a Marxist, but generally Anarchists are also treated well. The only time it doesn’t work out is if you have an anti-Anarchist Marxist or an anti-Marxist Anarchist, in my experience, and it seems lije you’re more of the latter than not.
Without knowing what got you dog-piled, you say it yourself, you broke the anti-sectarian rule. I do think that expecting to be treated with kindness when breaking instance rules directly is a bit of a tall order,
Actually no. I broke hexbear’s “no-sectarianism” rule in my own instance’s anarchism comm and got dogpiled there. Since then, I’ve been getting dogpiled whenever I commented in hexbear even though I carefully strayed away from any “sectarianism”. But once one’s labeled as a “wrecker” elsewhere, it doesn’t matter if you’re doing any rule breaking or not in hexbear.
especially if you use the term “tankie,” which these days just means “Marxist.”
I use tankie in the original meaning. MLs who support brutal authoritarian suppressions of dissent.
The only time it doesn’t work out is if you have an anti-Anarchist Marxist or an anti-Marxist Anarchist, in my experience, and it seems lije you’re more of the latter than not.
I’m not actually anti-Marxist. In fact we still have hexbear federated because I think most marxist have generally the right takes albeit terrible praxis, so it’s good to have more people pulling towards the left in discussions. I am however very anti-imperialist and anti-authoritarian and I believe “left-unity” with MLs and Anarchists doesn’t work, at best. The latter part is naturally what made me a persona-non-grata in hexbear eyes.
I know you don’t agree with Lenin, but I think reading Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism may help you with understanding Marxist-Leninists. And, for what it’s worth, Hexbear seems to be making ML/Anarchist unity work.
Would it make me understand why hexbears are dogpiling anarchists who reject “left-unity”?
And, for what it’s worth, Hexbear seems to be making ML/Anarchist unity work.
For some definitions of “work”, maybe. From my perspective it “works” the same way “unity” works in /r/politicalcompassmemes.
Hexbear has been far more level-headed than Lemmy.world in my experience
This whole thread proves that this is false.
And, granted, I’m partially at fault here - since I was kind of expecting them to behave like 11yo kids once the teacher is gone, and having some fun at their expense - but note how they’re in an otherwise serious discussion and doing nothing but shitposting.
if by “level-headed” you mean “one-note” maybe
I mean “reasonable to talk to,” and I stand by that.
im speaking from my experience as much as you are from yours
Sure. In general, whether someone will have a better time on .world or on Hexbear is largely dictated on if they are a Marxist or not. I am very openly a Marxist, the rest follows naturally.
if I weren’t such a charitable bastard i’d be tempted to say that sounds one-note. good for us I am modest and magnanimous and would never say such an uncharitable thing.
Here’s some context, in defence of the OP:
The game in question allows you to date and marry different characters, among them Shane (represented in the comic with the purple hair). In order to do so, once the character reaches an affection level of eight hearts towards you, you need to give them a bouquet, that clearly signals that the player’s avatar has romantic interest towards that person.
The comic represents Shane’s ten hearts event. As in: you can only reach that point if you already showed romantic interest towards Shane. And in the context, the kiss is not even sexual in nature, it’s just Shane excited with the game.
As in, there’s no fucking way to interpret this as sexual assault.
But of course. Slacktivists gonna witch hunt, right? They’re unable to understand context, but they’re still really eager to screech at you. And
.mlmoderation in special has a nasty tendency towards both slacktivism and witch hunting.They also don’t seem to get sarcasm well.
They also don’t seem to get sarcasm well.
That’s Lemmy as a whole, not just them.
No, Lemmy is actually the best at picking up on sarcasm
Wait a tick… I think this was sarcasm, y’all!
…well, yes. You’re right.
This is SA and all my arguments are made in the original thread which OP conveniently never links: CW for SA and SA apology https://hexbear.net/post/3706906
It’s a lot of stuff so I’ll only mention a few points here and there. Others might want to check your link directly for context.
[CW: link contains frivolous usage of a word considerably more likely to trigger victims of sexual violence than a kiss in a comic.]
You’re inferring too much from a drawing. The kiss is unexpected for two reasons: it is not a romantic situation (it’s a sports game), and Shane not being an assertive person. Same sort of surprise as someone otherwise prudish using swear words. On being “limp”, seriously?
I need you to understand that posts like these can absolutely wreck someones day and pose a barrier to the site and lemmy as a whole. So best case: it’s ableist to put it up.
Everyone has a different trigger. You might triggering with your clothes, or your perfume, or your usage of a specific word unrelated to violence… that’s awful but it’s how things are.
It’s simply too far from any reasonable boundary that we could say “no, this is going too far, it’s too likely to trigger someone”, you know?
Because if we [people in general] stop doing and sharing every single thing that might potentially trigger someone, we’ll neither do nor share anything. Doubly so if we need to also take into account people who are oblivious to the context.
That includes your prescription not allowing women to express themselves, as it is the case of this comic. People across this thread have not mentioned the author, but here she is; so you got a woman representing the scene as positive, but apparently women can’t have their fun too, right.
[She’s also likely Latin American. It’s common knowledge that folks here are considerably more eager to touch each other. Unless I’m supposed to pretend that the only valid behaviour rules are the ones followed by Anglos.]
Secondly: the fact that your first line of defense is “it’s just a game” makes me want to shoot you. It’s just a comment.
I’m highlighting this because it’s an actually good argument. If this was indeed a piece of content encouraging sexual abuse (it is not, but let’s pretend that it is), “it’s just a game” would not be a valid defence.
Thirdly: Shane being a depressed alcoholic does not give him a pass to SA people?? And if he’s been drinking even though he’s an alcoholic all the more reason to step out of the situation. How is pointing out that this is not just a comic about SA but about an alcoholic relapsing and then SA’ing helping your argument? “oh he’s been down lately, lets let this one slide”? [REDACTED]
You were so fucking close to convince me that you actually care about victims of sexual abuse being triggered by content on the internet. So close.
Until you posted the part that I’ve redacted off, containing a word that is considerably more likely to trigger them than a kiss in a comic. Rules for thee, but not for me???
The asterisk does nothing by the way.
Famously in stardew valley you aren’t dating until after the ten heart event.
That is blatantly false. Eight hearts is when you start dating; ten hearts is when your relationship is solid enough that you can safely ask the person in marriage.
Props for actually discussing this, unlike most HB kids who hopped into this thread just to have fun. (…I kind of had my fun with them too.)
The thread showcasing your arguments and your desire for OP’s death isn’t the win that you believe it is. It makes you seem unhinged and divorced from reality. The thought process on display comes across as delusional, even sociopathic.
Why would anyone want to read anything from that cesspit? If you’re going to make an argument, make it here. Otherwise you’re falling on deaf ears as most people here know Hexbear’s very poor reputation and won’t bother.
It’s on Hexbear as it views the original Lemmy.ml thread, don’t be so scared, lol. You aren’t going to become a spooky scary Marxist just for clicking a link even if it was linked directly to Hexbear.
The important bit is that the link shows the entire argument chain between the commenter you are replying to and OP.
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Ye they just got upset over nothing and went straight to the ban hammer for no reason. Just stick with lemm.ee and let that community grow.
Celebrate. Move to another instance. Dbzer0, Solarpunk, Lemm.ee, .world, there are a bunch of choices. Takes some work to revive a community, but it’s very doable. .ml has trash admins and mods, and that’s unlikely to change.
I am on lemm.ee for a year now I just created account .ml to become mod dying !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml community.
Just FYI, you don’t need an account on another Instance to become a Mod there (you do need one to start a community).
Just FYI, you don’t need an account on another Instance to become a Mod there (you do need one to start a community).
Reports are still not federated, so having a remote account prevents you from dealing with them
Indeed - looks like they plan to have it done by 0.20.
Dessaline(One of Lemmy Dev) said I need a account on .ml
You’d need one to receive reports but your lemm.ee account can be a Mod over there.
Well, might try creating the Stardew Valley community on Lemm.ee then? You could do some reposting if you wanted a bit of easy activity while things wind up.
Yep, Done
That’s the best move - a lot of people have blocked or avoid lemmy.ml, so having a community outside of it will help them. I helped start !horrormovies@lemm.ee as an alternative to !horrormovies@lemmy.ml.
And subbed.
Ah. Well, you learned your lesson about interacting with Lemmy.ml, it sounds like. :-/
Really
Yup, really. Things like this are a dime a dozen in
.ml; not just from the mods, but also the admins.
Just turn back. ML is a waste
I have a rule. I will not join ANY community on .ml
Even if I would otherwise enjoy the content.
I’m even a fan of Stardew Valley, and I would like to subscribe to your…oh. It’s on .ml?
Hey, quick question. Does anyone know any decent Stardew Valley communities on Lemmy? I’d love to know if we have any Stardew Valley communities!
Why someone could even make a brand new community, and I would join! Any Stardew Valley on any instance besides .ml and besides any that defederated from .world.
!stardewvalley@lemm.ee Just created
Just memes? I enjoy the game but I’d rather see content that’s actually about the game.
I was just crossposting my old post which I posted back then on .ml. You can post whatever you want no problem. I will also post patchnotes, news, guide and cool finding of mods of Stardew Valley.
There’s a post about tips for beginners, that’s a start
Sounds like you should join an instance that defederates .ml
Is there any? I’ve always seen hexbear and grad defederated, but not ml
I think dubvee.org.
Eh. The only yhing I don’t like about .word is that they defederated from the piracy instance.
I generally don’t believe in defederation. The ONLY reason I can think of that justifies a defederation would be if there were an instance distributing csam or racist/nazi propaganda.
I may not agree with .ml, their ideals, or their mods, but I will defend their right to exist.
That being said, I’ll fully support the idea of any .ml community moving away from that instance as we have seen here.
there is no defederation from “the piracy instance”. one or more communities have been removed from being accessible through lemmy.world due to piracy content, but the instance is not defederated. this means that other communities on that instance are still accessible and all users on that instance can still freely interact with lemmy.world communities and users.
Defederation has more reasons to be than just a bad (CSAM / bigot) instance. Such as two userbases at each others’ throat, without one being necessarily bad; or when you want to actively nurture a different culture or goals for a instance, without the rest of Lemmy drowning it.
That said I agree with you that there’s little to no value on defederating
.ml, as the problem there is the higher ups and not the general userbase.I may not agree with .ml, their ideals, or their mods, but I will defend their right to exist.
I mean, they can still exist, defederation just mean you won’t interact with them. I personally think defederation is a powerful moderation tool. Not saying it should be used lightly.
I agree, but I would take .world off that list at this point. It’s getting weird. Not necessarily time to leave yet or anything, but if you have a choice for where to set up a home, I would pick one without little developing red flags.
Don’t think I’ve seen anything from the .world admins that makes me second-guess making my home here. Not to say they’re perfect, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything that would make me think “Wow, these guys are in some way, fundamentally objectionable” rather than “These are amateurs making amateur mistakes, as one might expect from a volunteer service.”
Some of the more established mod teams are less than stellar, though. Plenty of good mods, but certainly a fair share of mediocre or tetchy ones.
my tetchy self includedLol keep being tetchy PugJesus, we like you that way 😂
I wasn’t trying to say they were bad, nothing like that. I agree, there are some great people, yourself included. I’m more thinking in terms of:
- No VPN access, no bot API access
- Defederated from beehaw
- MediaBiasFactCheck and whatever the fuck strange thing is going on with that
- Busy, overworked admins, trying to do too much
I wasn’t trying to imply they were bad people by any means. Just raising a question about why to make them the default when there are options that don’t do those things.
It’s a follow-on problem, I think, stemming from the combination of the volunteer nature and the scope of how much they’ve bitten off. I finished, this week, the first draft of my magnum opus essay about problems of incentives in the Lemmyverse where I talk more about this and will probably post it soon.
Wasn’t the Beehaw defederation something to do with open sign-ups on .world at one point?
Otherwise, yeah, I get that. It’ll be good for other instances to take up more of the load, both for the Fediverse as a whole and for .world in particular.
The Beehaw admins explain it.. In their own words:
The choice to defederate from an instance can also be based on our inability to effectively moderate that instance’s users. As of now, only two of our defederations are on this basis (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works), and we hope to eventually refederate with both of them.
Otherwise, yeah, I get that. It’ll be good for other instances to take up more of the load, both for the Fediverse as a whole and for .world in particular.
Strongly agree
We’ve been working on !movies@lemm.ee and !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , which are now more active than !movies@lemmy.world and !television@lemmy.world , but some people keep posting on the LW versions for whatever reason
Well, you’re never going to capture 100% of the audience of another comm on a decentralized place like the Fediverse. If you’re interested, though, you might try reaching out to the mods of those two to discuss getting a pinned post directing to the more-active community? Or at least a mention in the sidebar.
Well, you’re never going to capture 100% of the audience of another comm on a decentralized place like the Fediverse.
Indeed, but on the other hand a very common complain on threads asking about current Lemmy issues is how discussion is fragmented across several posts for the same link: https://lemmy.world/post/20926036?scrollToComments=true
It wouldn’t be that much if an issue if we had 100k monthly active users, but with our current userbase, we are probably too low to have multiple similar active communities to coexist.
There’s also the choice problem: people in that same thread also complain about not knowing where to post when there are two similar communities, and end up not posting at all.
If you’re interested, though, you might try reaching out to the mods of those two to discuss getting a pinned post directing to the more-active community? Or at least a mention in the sidebar.
The television one is unmoderated.
Last time I reached out to the movies community to consider maybe redirecting to ours as they were looking for new mods, they removed my comment.
https://lemmy.world/modlog/1291 5 months ago
I think beehaw said that accounts from .world were causing a level of moderation load that made it effectively impossible for them to provide the types of community they wanted to have.
I get it. I don’t even know whether it is anything related to .world, or just because of you host half the users then you will also host half the trash which will look like a lot. I have noticed that when things get too big, something gets lost.
To be fair, Beehaw is still running on 0.18.3, even though the current Lemmy version addresses some of the issues they had.
I’m not sure what the status is on their side. I get that they don’t like the Lemmy devs, but then Piefed could be an option, it’s probably feature equivalent to their version of Lemmy
I have observed mod action and bans of users when no rules were violated on lemmy.world several times. The news and political subs might as well be on .ml as they heavily censor opposing views. I’m not talking about anything against the written rules. There’s lots of unwritten ones.
Mods on other instances at times follow the ideas of lemmy.world, so you might get automatically banned elsewhere.
Getting banned means all your posts and communities get deleted without a trace.
sh.itjust.works has been good so far.
I have observed mod action and bans of users when no rules were violated on lemmy.world several times
Feel free to report those on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
That really helps to call out power tripping
Dbzer0, Solarpunk, Lemm.ee, .world
I mean, none of these defederate from .ml right?.I feel like people say a lot of bad stuff about .ml but nobody seems to actually defederate from them. Why is this?
The instance is the home of two of the core Lemmy devs, defederating would be a last resort for Admins.
Personally, I’ve never had much of an issue with their users (they tend not to cause too much trouble outside of their instance) so it hasn’t felt necessary.
.ml 's big problem isn’t the users, but the communities/mods/admins, unlike Grad and Hexbear. So defederating doesn’t meaningfully decrease the workload for the mods or admins of a defederating instance by much.
Honestly, the users can be quite annoying at times too
I mean, in the sense that if I see someone with an awful pseudoleftist take about how putting minorities in the minority-crushing machine is actually Good Praxis in Creating A Revolutionary Crisis, I could put money on the user instance being .ml. But the vast, vast majority of folk from .ml seem fine enough.
That’s a good point.
They’re defederated from the instance I’m on for what it’s worth.
Your instance has a single admin, that’s always a bit concerning
There are quite a few topics mostly active on ml
Basically FOSS and privacy communities
- !linux@programming.dev is a thing, but !linux@lemmy.ml is far more active
- same for !opensource@lemmy.ml and !opensource@programming.dev
I imagine they’ll all have counterparts elsewhere eventually. Did my bit with !horrormovies@lemm.ee.
Report to the local gulag for ideological reeducation. Or go to another instance.
After only three generations you will be considered for early release. But seriously, that instance is an irredeemable cesspool.
.ml is bullshit, one mod owns most of it with alts, and if you aren’t a bigot or fascist you get banned.
leave that toilet behind.
.ml is a crap instance. The amount of highly upvoted communist propaganda as memes is staggering.
The reason why .ml is a crappy instance has nothing to do with communist propaganda. It’s lack of transparency and shitty moderation practices.
What? No, I highly disagree.
The OP is a great example of what I’m talking about: admin in charge moderating content of a comm about a topic that they’re clueless about, not arsing themself to check it, assuming the worst, telling OP to kill themself*, filling an opaque ban under “rule 1”. That’s all poor moderation practices, the later is lack of transparency, and the post has zero to do with communism, economy, or politics.
This shite is a dime a dozen in
.ml. And while it does affect political topics, it’s considerably wider than that.*whoever is in charge sets up the behaviour standard for the others.
Having looked at your other post about it and the original thread, nah they were pretty in the right to take it down. What was depicted in that comic is exactly the sort of thing I’d imagine when thinking of toxic masculinity, it makes me extremely uncomfortable to think about anything like that happening in real life as it very clearly depicts a form of sexual assault. I really don’t like the idea that this is something people think should be normalised, sexual assault is more than just r*pe. It doesn’t really matter if it’s from a game, it’s an entirely valid point and that’s as far as the discussion should go.
That said, the “makes me want to shoot you” comment wasn’t called for and they should apologise for it, even if they were trying to make some other point.
When that scene happens, the player’s avatar and Shane are already dating. He is not kissing some random person, but someone who already showed romantic interest towards him.
And while the sprites are ambiguous, the kiss is clearly on the cheek, until the player avatar returns the gesture and makes it a French kiss. Give this a check, around 13:08.
All this context is widely understood by players, because they looove to talk about those heart scenes. And the comic is read within this context.
So while I agree that sexual assault is not just rape, this is simply not sexual assault by any account. There’s no violation of consent and, funnily enough, the sexualisation comes from the players’ avatar (a woman in this case, but it could be also a man - the scene plays identically in both cases), by turning it into a French kiss.
Demonizing non-toxic masculinity and happy honest sexuality, by pretending that this comic depicts toxic masculinity or actual sexual assault, does favors to no one.
I can understand that a certain type of person could look at this and see a justification for assaultive behavior. Erasing the concept that something like this could ever be a wholesome thing, making the good side out to be something that is also the bad side and has to be shunned or equated to actual SA, makes that problem worse, not better.
I agree with you that it can be SA but it’s a cutscene of game where both NPC and Player already love each other so yeah.
But it’s not, it’s a comic with none of that context
It was posted to a community focused on the game, which has been out for many years. The event is well-known for those who have played the game a bunch, so the context is kind of already assumed by the intended audience. It’s not as if OP posted it to a random comics community without any explanation, it was presented to a group of people who are already familiar with the story.
Yep, I know that’s why I added context later when that user claimed that. Even provied game cutscene video. Now tell if I am wrong or not. If I added context is it still considered SA? Sorry, If I am wrong.
Yes, yes it is. I’ve tried to explain to you at length how it’s SA even in context (the “why is he making excuses” argument) and how it’s harmful even if there was context redeeming it (the “it’s visible to people without such context” argument).
I do not understand why you’re so adamant about defending cartoon SA and the harm it can cause.
Should I add CW on this type post to avoid accidental PTSD triggred? Or is it also not enough?
Gee, I wonder why somebody is resistant to hearing you out after you told them you wanted to shoot them. You owe sag an apology, not excuses.
It’s just a comment bro.
Don’t pretend like you don’t understand how telling somebody you want to shoot them is an unreasonable escalation.
Kissing the person you’re dating is toxic masculinity now? Jesus fucking Christ. Please explain what toxic male stereotype was depicted here to make it make sense. And did they both rape each other too, since they were drinking a can of beer and thus were not able to consent? Or does that also only work for men? And yes, it completely matters if it is from a game, or any other fan fiction’s source. It’s a comic of a scene from its original source material. Context matters but people like you just want to be asocial. Just because you’re not aware of the context, does not mean it doesn’t exist.
ml users say a bunch of dumb stuff e.g they consider the terms ‘dick sucking’ and 'dick riding ’ to be misogynistic and homophobic
Look man, I’m just giving my opinion of how it looked to me, it’s fine if you disagree. But you don’t need to be a dick about it.
I don’t know why you’d say I want to be asocial, I read the comic and it made me pretty uncomfortable, within the context of the game sure fair point, it’s fine. But not everyone is going to see it that why, so I disagreed, I’m not whatever monster you’ve decided I am.
Please explain what toxic male stereotype was depicted here to make it make sense.
Kissing someone that’s intoxicated without asking for consent first. (Even with consent you should ideally wait until both of you are sober to ask again)
That’s not a toxic male stereotype.
But but but man bad
