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No America won’t. Every bad thing that results from his reelection will be someone else’s fault or declared fake. The people that voted for him will be thrilled and vote straight R again come 2028. Democrats,for their part, will put forward someone endorsed by Bush Jr. and wonder why they lost again.
conservatives are still dodging the blame for shooting down that bipartisan border bill. a lack of accountability is a very core republican value.
No they’re not. They don’t have to dodge it. They’re standing still while their voters look in the completely wrong direction. Uninformed and easily manipulated voters are a dream come true for team lying out their assholes.
sure is great we’re gonna be losing the department of education
FDA, EPA, OSHA.
This was mostly sexism, straight up. If it had been Obama, he would have won by a landslide.
I was listening to This American Life where they were interviewing the Muslims in Michigan (*could have been another state, not sure). They said they were going to vote for Trump, … because? They said it was because Harris didn’t speak to them, but surely they remember the Muslim ban or the Gold Star family getting shit on by trump. I had a strong feeling then, they were just looking for an excuse. If that could happen to them, it could happen to all of the other men in America. Cuz less face it, we’re more sexist than we are racist because it’s across all demographics. Racism is categorized into departments.
sadly I have to agree with this, I definitely think its a mix of both sexism and racism. For many that was a “quiet part”. I also had that experience, being an independent has let me talk to both sides since I was swaying either way and well, that was a reoccurring trait that I saw when asking friends who voted for trump why they did.
For democratic voters it was always “I can’t let Trump win because he’s an offensive racist prick” and for republican voters if it wasn’t abortion first thing, it was generally a no statement, usually it was a “i don’t actually like trump, but I can’t vote for the other side, she doesn’t follow my values” or something similar, but if you actually pushed for said values, no value was ever provided.
This doesn’t help the fact that many people are just so sick of mainstreamed politics that they are actively ignoring it. Which means that they just fall into whatever name they have heard in their experiences. unfortunately that is not something that is going to be able to be fixed by either side. Many friends who were unable to give reasons were also part of that category. The “I hate politics, everyone sucks and I am either not voting, or just going to vote what I’m used to voting” Many of them have no clue about half of the stuff that he did in the first place so theres nothing for them to dislike. They just don’t watch anything political, so their news sources are twitter, and ads that appear as they surf the web.
Many of them have no clue about half of the stuff that he did in the first place so theres nothing for them to dislike. They just don’t watch anything political, so their news sources are twitter, and ads that appear as they surf the web.
How is this part happening? It really is our media being taken over by billionaires and product placed into echo chambers.
“being”?
Honey, it already has been for a while.
Doesn’t matter what the media does if people no longer consume it.
Yes, we should consume less media. Will that happen for most of America? I doubt it.
I remember cutting off most media when I was super young and actually missing the commercials. They were comforting or something? Very odd, I still ponder that.
That brings an interesting moral dilemma.
Knowing that half of the population are, if not outright, very comfortable with, racists and sexists should the democrats have presented a candidate a traditional older cis white male instead of a blasian female ?
Basically, is it ok be making racist choices to beat the racist party or lose with integrity ?
I think we know the answer to that now. We’re actually more sexist than Mexico, lol.
Pragmatism and utilitarianism say yes, in the same way it is morally okay to kill a Nazi without just cause.
people that voted […] will […] vote […] again come 2028.
…doubt
Oh it’s the dems fault. Also fake news. And somehow an attack on them, why can’t you be civil?
No we won’t. Those of us who voted against him have been horrified this whole time. Everyone else is immune to fucking learning anything.
I regret sharing a country with 70 million racist idiots; I dont give a fuck about their regrets
I also regret sharing it with the 15 million racist Democrats, progressives, and independents that also (not)voted for Trump.
Hey now, not all of them are racist. Some of them are misogynistic. There are some plain old stupid people in there, too.
There’s also some people who meant well, but their hearts were just bigger than their brains.
Can you even regret something that (likely) wasn’t your choice to begin with? It’s like regretting being born.
I regret being the fastest sperm
Good news, recent studies show that the egg can signal what kind of sperm it wants, it’s not just the fastest that wins. Which means we can blame that on women, also!
I can’t wait for the tears of his voters when his own policies destroy them
It’s common for the people who support leopards eating faces to not even recognize the leopard when it is their own face which has been eaten. They point to someone whose face they want to be eaten by a leopard and then blame them for it. I hope I didn’t get too lost in the metaphor here.
Yeah… I know they’ll blame someone else. That won’t save them though, will it? Their face still got eaten. At this point, I’ll take that.
It won’t save them but it won’t teach them anything
If the last 8 years haven’t taught them anything, they cannot be taught.
Those people need legitimate cult deprogramming. The reason they haven’t learned anything in 8 years is because their cult leaders have lied to them on every issue and convinced them that everything wrong is because of the liberals.
This is the danger of the echo chambers the internet has created.
There is no institution remaining with enough power and reach to complete this task
Nope, we just have to wait until they get to the, “he’s hurting the wrong people,” phase.
The one silver lining to the Rs controlling everything is that they can’t blame democrats for their screwups.
The point I was trying to make with that is they will continue to actively screw over themselves and everyone else but the oligarchy, again and again and again. I don’t take glee in this futility because the consequences are dire, even for the hubristic. If they got just a pie in the face or something merely unflattering, sure, laugh it up; but if somebody is dying because they can’t get the health care they need, or they lose their home because the economy tanked, or their friend gets deported, etc., because of what they enthusiastically voted for, then that is tragic, and this tragedy is manifold by the repetition of their inability to recognize what they have done.
I’m done. My empathy has run out. It’s become strikingly clear to anyone who’s been paying attention that these people have no ability to reason. Until something directly affects them, they do not care. So, let it affect them. I will no longer protect those who only wish to hurt others from their own actions. They’ll learn, or they’ll ruin their own lives too. I’ll take either one at this point.
Yeah, the Republicans have been fucking them for decades, and they just voted for someone who is up front about the fucking
I have a neighbor that has 3 kids they get welfare for who voted for trump. Enjoy being homeless in 6 months, I guess?
My joy at their inevitable self inflicted suffering is somewhat overshadowed by the way they seem to actually be happy with the results. I don’t think they’re going to regret this, I think we are.
To these people it’s fine if they get fucked as long as the person they don’t like gets fucked harder. It’s insane.
I’m temporarily adopting their mindset in self defense
I’m going to be honest, even if it’s probably self defeating, it’s probably not a bad idea.
It’s all
Obama’sHillary’s emailsPizzagate’sHunter Biden’s LaptopBiden’s fault. If Biden hadn’t got in the way of Trump’s beautiful perfect plan that is the most perfect in the history of the universe, then his policies would have resulted in paradise on earth for his voters. But of course Biden and the Democrats messed it all up, so you better be sure to vote Red again next election!And I can’t wait to tell them shut the fuck up you voted for this! I hope every one of us does that.
If they experience even a fraction of the heartbreak and despair they’ve caused, I’ll be happy.
It already does, apparently.
We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be! We know things are bad — worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is: ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get MAD! I don’t want you to protest, I don’t want you to riot, I don’t want you to write to your congressman, because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first, you’ve got to get mad! [shouting] You’ve got to say: ‘I’m a human being, goddammit! My life has value!’ So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out, and yell: I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
I think we need to understand that this speech is exactly how republicans see themselves. Notice the focus on violent crime, something which is not actually rising, and inflation. These are the kinds of issues that Republicans have used to gather support. As far as they are concerned, Trump is the TV personality who has gone rogue and started yelling.
more appropriate to look at the Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson types that are actively on pseudo-news channels, screaming into the aether and telling viewers to get mad.
it doesn’t matter what they’re mad about, as long as they stay mad, and think that somebody needs to be hurt to make it all go back to normal. that’s just how MAGA fascism works.
What is this from?
‘the mad speech’ from network (1976)
Thanks
I love this quote
Can’t wait for the inflation to go through the roof. And the global financial crisis he’s going to trigger.
Reminder that Inflation peaked in June 2021, immediately following the last Trump admin, and declined since then.
But republicans still think Joe Biden causes inflation.
That’s the way it always works. The Republicans come in and give massive tax cuts to the wealthy. They cut a bunch of education and healthcare programs because they gave that money to people that don’t need it. Then they deregulate everything and let the corporations go crazy with price gouging. Then things look like they’re improving for a minute because corps start buying back all of their stocks, driving the prices up, and giving the appearance of a strong economy. But it’s not strong, it’s a consolidation of wealth at the top.
Eventually as prices rise and wages decrease, people get fed up with the mounting pile of bullshit and vote for Democrats. The Democrats, for all their fecklessness actually try to fix some of those problems, but the problems don’t go away overnight. They continue escalating for 4 years because that’s the pace economies move at. The voters completely forget who put them in this position to begin with and blame the Democrats, so they vote Republican again.
Right about the time the Republicans take office, the work of the Democrats starts producing results and the repubs ride that wave of success for a time, taking full credit, while rat fucking everyone except the 0.1%.
The cycle repeats ad-nausium. People are fucking stupid.
Don’t worry, they will find a way to blame Obama
Does he ever not have a shit-eating smirk on his face? That’s gotta be the most punchable face in the world.
It’s a constant failed attempt to convince himself he doesn’t hate himself. You can see it oozing out of every facial expression.
Sure like last time.
*does
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the man went broke running a casino. I dont know if I believe he understands the flow of wealth. No to mention the 30 other failed businesses.
And we already know what he’s like in power. If you recall last time he was considered one of the worst presidents of all time on every metric except slavery and genocide.
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I feel like, at this point, the trolls are just taking a victory lap and seeing how much anger they can extract from all of us hapless ones.
I certainly don’t regret my decision. I didn’t vote for that yokel, nor did I vote for Harris, I voted for a third party candidate I actually believe in. Trump won my state by >20%, which I 100% expected going into the election, so I decided to use my vote to point out that the electoral system is broken and that neither candidate is acceptable.
I’m unhappy with Trump and I worry that his party won’t stand up to him as much (or even as little) as it did last time, but I guess we’ll see. I’m mostly worried about the economy, and I see two likely outcomes (from things I’ve read and watched):
- boom - tariffs trigger higher prices, but Trump convinces Congress to issue handouts and people spend more; borrowing rates go up to combat inflation, which ends up strengthening the dollar; this creates a bit of a bubble, but it could last for the remainder of his term
- bust - tariffs trigger higher prices, and Trump is unable to convince Congress to issue handouts, so people spend less; economy drops into recession, borrowing rates drop to spur spending, and recovery depends on “trade war” nonsense w/ other countries (i.e. them raising tariffs makes recovery harder)
What ultimately happens depends on how aggressive Trump is w/ tariffs and what he can convince Congress to do. I’m not really looking forward to either scenario, and I hope there are other likely scenarios I’m missing.
That said, whether (or how soon) we regret it depends on which thing happens. Or if Trump ends up going after social issues instead, we’ll probably regret those as well.
I hope this is just a new style of trolling, designed to draw out what I’m sure will be a lot of negative attention.
If you’re really gullible enough to be serious about all this, then go fuck yourself. “Mostly worried about the economy.” You can check back in with me the first time someone in your neighborhood gets hauled away in the mass deportations, or when the price of groceries goes up 50%. My guess is the first will happen before the second, but we’ll have to wait and see.
I did not vote for him, nor have I ever voted for him. I can’t regret a decision I didn’t make.
I do not like Trump, and I made it abundantly clear that I don’t like either scenario.
Where is the trolling?
I don’t think you’re trolling. But people are in shock and feeling salty for what has happened. For those that don’t agree with you, the case can be easily explained: If you didnt vote for Harris, you’re considered as an enabler for Trump to be in power, thus you’re at fault no matter the reasons.
Which is absolutely ridiculous because only 8 states had any chance of deciding the election. I don’t live in one of those states, and even if I somehow convinced >10% of my state (the gap is almost always at least 20%) to vote for Harris and flip my state, Trump still would’ve won.
I understand the saltiness, but it’s completely misdirected. It’s more valuable, IMO, to discuss with those who also didn’t vote for Trump what it would’ve taken for them to vote for Harris, not vilify them.
You’ll need to wait a while longer if you want to discuss anything constructive. People are in denial. How come they lost when they’ve done everything right? It must be someone’s else fault. Even Harris probably doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with her campaign. So now you’ll see news starting coming out blaming Biden etc. And now is the time to blame, to find someone to throw under the bus.
As I said earlier, for anything constructive, we’ll need to wait a bit longer.
Agreed, but I do think it’s incredibly dumb and childish. I would much rather have constructive conversation about what Harris could have done differently to get a different outcome, what Biden and the current Congress plan to do between now and inauguration day, and perhaps some speculation about what Trump’s first 100 days might look like.
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I honestly hope the American people do end up referring it the already Trump was possible. This country absolutely deserves it.
