And I’m being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don’t understand it. Can someone please “steelman” that argument for me?

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    I think there are no right or wrong. It became clear that both Democrats and Republic pushing the same exact support for Israel. When it comes to Palestine there are no lesser Evil.

    Leading to this election, Israel burned hospitals and people in tent alive in Jabalia, barely any internet access, no water or food enters for almost 50 days now.

    They carpet bomb gaza, attack UN bases, and finally declare UNRAWA can no longer work, another UN agency.

    This is under Democrats. They already finishing the job.

    Now what exactly Trump or republic will do is going to be the same. nothing will change because we are at the worst and there is nothing more they can do to make the situation even worse.

    So if they are the same, and the government is not listening then what is the point of participation in election?

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      You are citing one subject here, Palestine. Yes, maybe under Harris nothing would have been different in regards to this. But it is pretty obvious, that under the orange shitstain’s regime, many people all over the world will suffer a lot. The point in participating in this election was to prevent that. You didn’t vote the special representativefor Palestine or some shit, but the president of the most influencial country in the world. Your actions have consequences. All Americans who voted for Trump or did not participate fucked not only themselves, but also so many millions of other people over, so I really thing, they should go fuck themselves.

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        The democrats’ hands are not clean. They didn’t fight for human rights even while red states and ICE were busy annihilating them. They had four years to do so, a trifecta in the start, and we watched as red state after red state made being trans illegal. They have been transparent about going after gay and inter racial marriage next. The democrats at the national level haven’t offered anything in response. We also still have illegal debtor’s prisons, child lunch debt, increasing rates of homelessness and abuse of homeless people.

        The democrats can’t just sit there doing nothing and expect people to vote for them.

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        And your playing whataboutisms. Those other issues are directly related to gaza.

        The military industrial complex loves israel/Palestine conflicts makes them oodles of money. Hence both parties support israel and killing Palestinians.

        The capital class loves suppressing wages and benefits. Hence no pro labor policies from the dems/reps.

        The MIC loves the Ukraine war, see israel above.

        Capital loves monopolies, less competition for workers, easier to raise prices, etc. again reason behind no labor policies.

        LGBT? Same deal. Corporate doesnt care, hence policies generally go through.

        The only difference between dems and repubs is one are religious fanatics. People in currently blue states are safe from them, those who are not, are not.

        All the issues you think just got fucked are going to be mostly unchanged regardless whom won this election. Shitty states going to get shittier. All the lesser evil people will be laser focused on trump now and as a result the representatives will have to do real work.

        The genocide and everything else are one and the same. One is just easier to articulate to people who have some morals, though some will continue the lesser evil nonsense.

        In the meantime find the real progressives in your area and encourage them to run