THE FACTS: Trump has said he doesn’t know about Project 2025, a controversial blueprint for another Republican presidential administration.
The plan was written up by many of his former aides and allies, but Trump has never said he’ll implement the roughly 900-page guide if he’s elected again. He has said it’s not related to his campaign.
That’s everything they said. Those are quite literally the facts which they can report on: what Trump says.
Sure, but doing a fact check at all is very strongly suggesting that the person making the claim is lying in a way that would be materially significant.
It just seems wrong to report that well technically, the candidate himself didn’t say those exact words (while ignoring that he communicates like a mafia don), and fit it in amongst other fact-checks where the candidate is literally libelling an entire community with things that are absolutely bare-faced lies with very very racist underpinnings?
You seem confused. Their reporting here was that trump claimed not to be associated with the document, but in reality is. Maybe you don’t like their wording?
Nope. Not what you’re saying it is. They call out its origin even.
The plan was written up by many of his former aides and allies,
They also briefly mention what he claims. That is in no way corroborating it. They are simply trying to avoid seeming biased. The other time “2025” appears in that page, it’s a quote from Harris about how dangerous it is.
Well that’s the article my boss used to “prove” to me that trump wasn’t associated with it. It’d be nice if honest reporting wasn’t immediately cast out as being leftist.
He read the sentence he wanted, essentially summarizing Trump’s claim, and ignored everything else. What is AP supposed to do about that kind of idiocy? You could do that with practically any source of information
What you all are really saying is that you want media to be more left leaning. The example people keep citing is AP, but they literally called out that he was associated with the creators of the document. Should they have used the word “lie”, well, yes I think so personally, but there is a danger in further appearing biased. I can settle for refuting his claim the way they did despite my preference. This is not some obvious right wing leaning like people ITT seem to think.
Unless he was diagnosed as a pathological liar, they should not. Not that he isn’t, because he is, but as a news organization they should only provide the facts, quotes, and unbiased contextual information. That is what we should expect from the news. It should not be “left-leaning” or “right-leaning,” because they shouldn’t tell us what we should think about what they are reporting.
They should report that some of his former (and possibly current, if it’s accurate) aids and expected cabinet members wrote, participated, or supported Project 2025. They should report what Trump’s response was when asked about it, as well as including the factual context of how many people directly surrounding him that were openly involved (to give the lie to him “not knowing”).
We need news to stop giving opinion. Period. They should strive to be as unbiased as possible, including reporting on events based on newsworthy-ness, not trying to be “fair” to the candidates by reporting on both in an equally negative way regardless of the severity of their respective news (e.g. Obama’s tan suit vs. Trump’s children in cages.)
Then they don’t have to use the word “pathological”. If they aren’t reminding people that the fascist liar is a liar, then they are part of the problem.
I would assume they’re also wary to give any opportunities to the serial libel/slander suit filer with a history of decrying “fake news”. Especially backed by the DOJ.
Trump didn’t need to know about it, and (since by all accounts, he’s functionally illiterate) he certainly never read it. Project 2025 is the brainchild of the same groups who chose Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Cavanaugh. Trump likely knew very little about them, too.
Trump was chosen because he’s easy to manipulate and is too incurious to care much about actual governance, so he won’t get in their way. All they need is for him to sign whatever they put in front of him between rounds of golf.
Trump likely didn’t know much about Project 2025 – but that absolutely did not mean it wasn’t the plan all along.
Its more of selectively picking what he’s said, also not including the previous versions
“The Reagan administration implemented nearly half of the ideas included in the first edition by the end of his first year in office, while the Trump administration embraced nearly 64% of the 2016 edition’s policy solutions after one year,” the Heritage Foundation said in a press release announcing Project 2025.
Back when Project 2025 was just getting started, Trump spoke at the Heritage Foundation’s annual leadership conference on April 21, 2022, and appeared to refer to the project, saying, “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America. And that’s coming.”
But Trump has since pivoted sharply against the plan.
“I know nothing about Project 2025,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on July 5. “I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”
sause
So only including the part where he distanced himself from it is very sketchy.
Meanwhile the newspapers: “FACT CHECK: It is incorrect to associate project 2025 with the Trump campaign” 🙄
Besides fox News and the like, who said that?
The Associated Press did
Saving everyone a click
That’s everything they said. Those are quite literally the facts which they can report on: what Trump says.
Sure, but doing a fact check at all is very strongly suggesting that the person making the claim is lying in a way that would be materially significant.
It just seems wrong to report that well technically, the candidate himself didn’t say those exact words (while ignoring that he communicates like a mafia don), and fit it in amongst other fact-checks where the candidate is literally libelling an entire community with things that are absolutely bare-faced lies with very very racist underpinnings?
You seem confused. Their reporting here was that trump claimed not to be associated with the document, but in reality is. Maybe you don’t like their wording?
Nope. Not what you’re saying it is. They call out its origin even.
They also briefly mention what he claims. That is in no way corroborating it. They are simply trying to avoid seeming biased. The other time “2025” appears in that page, it’s a quote from Harris about how dangerous it is.
This is normal and decent journalism.
Well that’s the article my boss used to “prove” to me that trump wasn’t associated with it. It’d be nice if honest reporting wasn’t immediately cast out as being leftist.
He read the sentence he wanted, essentially summarizing Trump’s claim, and ignored everything else. What is AP supposed to do about that kind of idiocy? You could do that with practically any source of information
facts have a left-leaning bias
Just about all of them, FFS.
What you all are really saying is that you want media to be more left leaning. The example people keep citing is AP, but they literally called out that he was associated with the creators of the document. Should they have used the word “lie”, well, yes I think so personally, but there is a danger in further appearing biased. I can settle for refuting his claim the way they did despite my preference. This is not some obvious right wing leaning like people ITT seem to think.
Those are some questionable sources.
The Associated Press:
A better start to that would be:
“Trump, a pathological liar, has said he doesn’t know about Project 2025”
Unless he was diagnosed as a pathological liar, they should not. Not that he isn’t, because he is, but as a news organization they should only provide the facts, quotes, and unbiased contextual information. That is what we should expect from the news. It should not be “left-leaning” or “right-leaning,” because they shouldn’t tell us what we should think about what they are reporting.
They should report that some of his former (and possibly current, if it’s accurate) aids and expected cabinet members wrote, participated, or supported Project 2025. They should report what Trump’s response was when asked about it, as well as including the factual context of how many people directly surrounding him that were openly involved (to give the lie to him “not knowing”).
We need news to stop giving opinion. Period. They should strive to be as unbiased as possible, including reporting on events based on newsworthy-ness, not trying to be “fair” to the candidates by reporting on both in an equally negative way regardless of the severity of their respective news (e.g. Obama’s tan suit vs. Trump’s children in cages.)
Then they don’t have to use the word “pathological”. If they aren’t reminding people that the fascist liar is a liar, then they are part of the problem.
I think “habitual liar” would be fair.
I would assume they’re also wary to give any opportunities to the serial libel/slander suit filer with a history of decrying “fake news”. Especially backed by the DOJ.
The election coverage I saw on AP this week confirms that they are compromised as well. They are dead to me.
This was likely true.
Trump didn’t need to know about it, and (since by all accounts, he’s functionally illiterate) he certainly never read it. Project 2025 is the brainchild of the same groups who chose Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Cavanaugh. Trump likely knew very little about them, too.
Trump was chosen because he’s easy to manipulate and is too incurious to care much about actual governance, so he won’t get in their way. All they need is for him to sign whatever they put in front of him between rounds of golf.
Trump likely didn’t know much about Project 2025 – but that absolutely did not mean it wasn’t the plan all along.
Yikes, they should show how its related to him.
They should also mention that most everything he says is a lie.
What am I missing here? Two sentences telling us his claims isn’t the complete failure of journalism y’all seem to be insinuating it is…
Its more of selectively picking what he’s said, also not including the previous versions
sause So only including the part where he distanced himself from it is very sketchy.
Those two sentences would be a lot less horrible if they weren’t prefaced with “THE FACTS:”.
It is a fact that Trump claimed not to know anything about it