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And valve has already won. Everyone else is just playing catch-up, and good luck catching up to a Linux-driven steam-integrated platform. You will need it.
Why do you think valve is under fire from every angle lately? They are winning and winning fairly and some people don’t like that.
Good point! I mean, valve doesn’t even report to stockholders!!! Bad valve, bad.
The Switch has outsold it by an order of magnitude.
Eh, you’re right, but also I think Nintendo is usually kinda in their own category. We see xbox/ps comparisons all the time, but rarely nintendo, since it isn’t really a drop-in comparison. I think this is a similar case – the switch outsells everything strictly for “handhelds”, but it isn’t really solving generalized handheld gaming.
People made the same excuse for the Wii. ‘Oh it’s not competing with the PS3 and 360. It plays completely different games.’ The same people inevitably turn around and say those real consoles ‘have no games,’ because they mostly play the same games.
The Switch has both a shitload of first-party exclusives, and a shitload of ports. They’re killing it. Their legal department can burn in hell, but the platform is clearly dominating the industry. It’s so fucking good that everyone else is rushing to compete with them.
Exactly, and that’s with decade-old hardware. I bought a Switch for first party games and a fun playing experience. I didn’t buy an Xbox or PS because they don’t offer much of anything over my PC.
Nintendo’s lawyers suck, but their games are fantastic and their consoles are fun to use. I’ll probably end up getting a Switch 2, and I’ll probably continue not bothering even looking at Xbox and PS.
Yeah I only have used the steam deck, but I imagine the alternative Windows based handhelds feel much more clunky/hacky since Windows has issues suspending things in general, especially games. Maybe they fixed some of the issues on that end by now, but I feel like SteamOS is really the best and most viable option here for these other companies looking to cash in on this trend. Especially since Windows is bloated as is and not really made for this type of thing.
Not sure if Valve does this already, but perhaps they could license out SteamOS to other manufacturers too? It would make Valve’s “competition” more lucrative for them. At the very least, I hope more people start using SteamOS so Linux gaming gets more adoption as time goes on. Valve has done absolute wonders for the linux community with Proton.
SteamOS is free to use for everyone, making it a legit Linux FOSS operating system.
https://store.steampowered.com/steamos
It’s not easy to install for non-technical people though. But Bazzite is, and it’s basically a different “flavor” of steamOS.
It’s what I use, and it’s great.
I support this.
My gaming PC is not suitable for Windows11. I don’t play much, but I do play.
I switch to Pop!_OS in June, did not like it that much but it got the job done.
I’ve been using SteamOS on this machine since mid September and honestly I don’t ever want to go back.
Thanks for the info. Gonna check it out!
Edit: Ok you know what bazzite looks awesome. I’m definitely gonna install it later this week on my main pc and see how it goes
You won’t regret it.
But be aware, it is an immutable distro. This means that it is basically unbreakable (you hear stories about how linux machines can become broken by some update or such, but not bazzite or other immutable distros).
But this also means that if you don’t find an flatpak (or appimage) of a program you need, it can be a little teadious to install it.
https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/
Just a warning. The distrobox option is especially flexible and powerful, but you do need to do a little reading up and setting up to install stuff using these methods.
Otherwise everything on bazzite JUST WORKS, especially gaming. And the flatpak store has a ton of stuff, I have never needed anything that wasn’t on there.
I’ve been using Bazzite on my main laptop as well and it’s fantastic.
I even found out that you can create a steamOS distrobox. No real need to use it, but thought that was cool.
The only battleground for me will be selling my oled deck and buying a steam deck 2
I bought an OG Deck and am still quite happy with it. I thought about getting the OLED, but it didn’t seem worth it, but I’ll definitely get a Deck 2.
I’m not even looking at other handhelds, because why bother? My Steam Deck experience is fantastic, why change that?
For Microsoft, the key threat is that the Steam Deck isn’t even a Windows OS device by default, let alone having Microsoft’s Xbox services and Game Pass on it. Valve has used the platform, very successfully, to evolve Steam from being simply a digital store that runs (usually) on Windows, into being a very capable gaming OS in its own right.
That, perhaps more than anything else happening in the industry in recent years, is a threat to Microsoft’s plans for the Xbox platform and gaming more broadly – and if the success of the Steam Deck is a key component of that threat, then creating an Xbox device to compete directly in that space seems like the logical response.
And there’s the real reason why Microsoft cares. The success of the Steam Deck is a threat to Windows because it runs Linux. Also, the more games that run on the Steam Deck means the more games run on Linux.
Microsoft normally solves problems like this by abusing their monopoly and crushing their competition. In this case though, Microsoft is the underdog since Steam is the one with a much larger gaming monopoly. They’re going to have to spend billions and billions if they want to stand a chance against the Steam Deck.
The other enormous problem they face is that Windows is very, very far behind when it comes to technology compared to Linux. Devices made for Linux vastly outperform the best hardware that runs Windows. Even if that hardware was made to run Windows!
Windows is decades behind Linux from a technological development standpoint. For example, Windows is still running the same filesystem from over 30 years ago!
What this means is that for any given portable hardware Linux is going to vastly outperform Windows in basically every benchmark from battery life to frame rate. That doesn’t even include the fact that in Windows you’re forced to install many background apps (and kernel level
rootkitanti-cheat) that takes up memory and slows everything down just to get basic security and play games.Microsoft seems to be trying to transition away from consoles to become a distribution platform and publisher. They’re heavily entrenched in the business ecosystem so the os is pretty safe (for now), but they want to leverage consumer pc dominance to kickstart their gaming division transition
And the mad part is I regularly find Windows games run better on Linux though Proton than on Windows directly - and my Windows partition is only for gaming (no other crap installed)!
Microsoft normally solves problems like this by abusing their monopoly and crushing their competition. In this case though, Microsoft is the underdog since Steam is the one with a much larger gaming monopoly. They’re going to have to spend billions and billions if they want to stand a chance against the Steam Deck.
Oh, they still do it regardless. There was a handheld that was supposed to release with HoloISO (SteamOS) preinstalled instead of Windows to hit a lower MSRP.
Microsoft stepped in (and probably gave them free Windows licenses) just so that wouldn’t happen.
Source:
News article from January showing the spec sheet saying “pre-installed HoloISO”.
Product website with the spec sheet saying “pre-installed Windows 11”
At the same time Linux is eating their lunch on the server side thanks to containers and immutable systems not really being a thing that is possible for anyone but Microsoft to build on Windows and licensing becomes extremely complicated compared to Linux in those areas.
I’m far to be a pro Microsoft but Windows is more versatile to run games. Asus understood it. If you want to play with steam, xbox, gog or indie games. It’s far more flexible than linux even if some huge progress were done.
It’s not versatile at all, it’s just what most games are made for so it doesn’t have to be.
Linux is more versatile because it can play games it wasn’t targeted for.
You can’t even play the top 5 games on Linux due to the anti cheat.
And for a handheld, Linux is perfect. Yeah, anticheat games generally don’t work on Linux, but I don’t want to play those anyway on a handheld. Steam Deck is for playing around the house or on a plane or something, my desktop PC is for more hardcore gaming.
The impressive part is that some of those games can actually run even better than on Windows.
Let me spoil it for you: Sony’s is a non factor. Their games play on PC, and there’s nothing they can offer over an open platform like a handheld PC.
Yes. I want steamdeck and I’m thinking of selling my switch to get one.
Steamdeck owner and cannot recommend highly enough.
Think I should ditch the switch? Or just buy one separately?
I have both but I bought the Switch first. Now it just sits gathering dust if I’m honest.
I just updated and 3d printed new brackets fory kishi v2. I’m gonna stick with that and steam link for a while before I buy anything else. I have an s23 ultra and I want to get my money’s worth out of it first.
What are you using the S23 for?
I have steam link, and a bunch of AAA games for Android , emulators out the wazzoo. I use Samsung dex when I don’t feel like getting my laptop out of the bag.
The only part of my phone I don’t use often is the S pen.
I like mine a lot, but I also have a Switch because I really like the first party games and the gameplay is great for our kids. However, I only play Switch when my kids are watching, when they’re in bed, I’m on my Steam Deck.
Mine is just sitting there collecting dust. My kids have switch lites. And what they don’t have on theirs we emulate or abstain. I’ve got steam link for now I guess.
Windows and linux handheld’s are so powerful and versatile. They are both great portable consoles and decent PCs. I’m using a legion go as a flatscreen and PCVR puck to play in VR anywhere and i freakin love it.
