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“Instead of taking responsibility for peace and security in the world as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China is opposing our core European interests with its economic and weapons aid to Russia,” German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock said in an emailed statement before departing Berlin airport on Sunday for her two-day visit to Beijing.
Vladimir “Putin’s brutal war of aggression against Ukraine is a direct threat to our peace. I will also speak in Beijing about the fact that we cannot simply ignore this in our relations with China.”
The European Union is proposing to sanction several Chinese firms that it claims helped Russian companies develop attack drones that were deployed against Ukraine. Baerbock will meet her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi in Beijing to address this issue, her spokesman said. Germany’s top diplomat will also discuss the humanitarian situation in China, as well as EU tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles that were introduced in October.
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PSA: election season has begun in Germany. The tone in the comments, and also fully fabricated “news stories” (not meaning this one), have increased dramatically.
The influence campaign has begun. Stay critical people.
I’m still voting the Greens, they’re the least terrible party
It really is that simple. Kinda sad, but also kinda nice not having to bother wrecking my brain on who to vote for.
Which goes to show how far Germany has fallen politically. The Left party split into an irrelevant part and a pro-Putin hard on immigration part (BSW). the Greens moved towards anti immigrant racism, lackluster climate protection and support for wanted war criminals. The SPD became the party of high finance tax robbers, anti immigrant racism and austerity. And i don’t want to get started on the right side of politics somewhere between fascists and borderline fascists.
And when was it better? The Left party was not really more radical left leaning then the Greens, when they actually were in government. The Greens approved the hollowing out of the welfare state with the SPD, which btw is currently less racist then under Schmidt.
Greens moved towards anti immigrant racism, lackluster climate protection and support for wanted war criminals.
No they didn’t. They are the once that pushed the most forward while still being reasonable and open for compromise. They are the biggest/strongest reason that there is a move towards climate protection and they criticized war criminals all the time.
The more bullshit i hear against Greens the stronger i know a vote for the greens is the right thing to do.
I mean … I really wish it were different but almost the entire Greens group in Bundestag voted in favor of the “Security Package” only a month ago, despite it introducing more social insecurity for migrants. Of course, the goal was saving the coalition — but they did so voting by in favor of a law that (pending court decisions) contains most likely unconstitutional/EU-incompatible sections to do so. And the coalition then failed less than a month after that.
Of course, large parts of the party base don’t agree, and the last party conference showed that.
The Left was always just the leftovers of SED
That is false. The left in Western Germany cannot be a leftover from the SED. There was no SED in Western Germany. There is some personal continuity in former Eastern Germany, whose influence got less over time. By this logic the CDU, CSU, FDP and to some extent SPD could also be considered leftovers of the NSDAP.
I think the poster meant the party the Left.
There was no SED in Western Germany.
While technically no proper part of Western Germany, you still might want to check out this.
By this logic the CDU, CSU, FDP and to some extent SPD could also be considered leftovers of the NSDAP.
This is something that you can find in discussions on here.
The left the party, not the left the political spectrum.
You are right, however I don’t have a feeling the Baerbock has changed her demeanor, she was pretty outspoken the whole time - at least compared to the foreign ministers before her.
But yes, a lot of politicians will suddenly simulate a spine for a few weeks.
She is pretty good and you can clearly see that she is working differently and more in the right direction than anyone before.
isn’t it awesome that those mis- and de-information campaigns can get away with it scotch free? That foreign powers can influence sovereign elections willy nilly?
its so fricking disgusting and sad.
Yet another externality of the neoliberal system. Who knew free flow of capital can also flow to individuals in or running for office.
China Is Studying Russia’s Sanctions Evasion to Prepare for Taiwan Conflict – (Archived link)
China has been supporting Russia’s economy since the start of the Ukraine war by buying its oil while supplying it with everything from microelectronics to washing machines.
Meanwhile, Beijing has been getting its own strategic benefit: a real-world case study in how to circumvent Western sanctions.
An interagency group, set up by China in the months following the full-scale invasion, has studied the impact of sanctions and produced reports regularly for the country’s leadership, according to people familiar with the matter. The goal is to draw lessons about how to mitigate them, particularly in case a conflict over Taiwan prompts the U.S. and its allies to impose similar penalties on China, the people said.
As part of the effort, Chinese officials periodically visit Moscow to meet with the Russian Central Bank, the Finance Ministry and other agencies involved in countering sanctions, the people said.
The Chinese study effort, which hasn’t previously been reported, is emblematic of the new age of economic warfare unleashed by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, where the lines between economic policy and geopolitical strategy are increasingly blurred. That trend is only likely to be amplified by Donald Trump’s second presidential term, where he plans to turbocharge the use of tariffs as a tool for negotiation and coercion.
Seems a bit off to study something in order to draw lessons that is highly influenced by the own behaviour.
Sure, if there were a second China that would fill the role China is currently playing in easing the effect of the sanctions, they should be alright. But who should that be?
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Holy f*, what? You know that Russia is attacking and started the war without even respecting their own peoples life while Ukraine is defending themself with all the rights in the world? If you are for peace, you have to stop the aggressor Russia.
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Nobody takes Baerbock seriously internationally. Everyone knows that Germany is just doing whatever the US says and after the next elections in February she probably won’t be in office past March or April.
Imagine moaning about Ukraine defending themselves. Sad.
Bigly sad, so sad
What has that to do with Baerbock not being taken seriously? China knows the person to talk with now is Trump. They know Germany just does whatever the US says under the current administration. The closest to a “European leader” we have now is Macron, which is frankly pathetic, but Germany has removed itself from the diplomatic scene. This will prove detrimental to the EU, to Germany and also to Ukraine, as a self sovereign European position would be needed to counterbalance Trump. But Germany won’t be the source of it.
Finally it is quite ironic that Germany tries to criticize China over supplying weapons to Russia, while Germany proudly proclaims its continued weapons supply to Israel. China will just ask Baerbock, why Germany isn’t minding their own business, supplying suspected war criminals with weapons.
If Germanys claims and particular Baerbocks claims of a value led foreign policy rooted in international law wouldn’t be a steaming stinking pile of hypocrisy, maybe they could get their voices heard a tiny bit. This way however they will be ignored at best, but probably ridiculed instead. Ukraine suffers under this, becoming another victim of German hypocrisy.
I find it a bit weird how you (implicitly) pin blame primarily on Baerbock. Clearly, she is not the most forceful diplomat there is. However, imo that’s not generally for lack of good ideas (and yes, I find value-based/feminist foreign policy a great idea), rather she’s (a) probably lacking in machismo and (b) been undermined by cabinet colleagues, primarily Scholz who would always wait for US support before doing anything in Ukraine, by Lindner who’s been cutting budgets whenever/wherever possible, and even by her party colleague Habeck who negotiated the Qatar gas deal.
“Germany has left the diplomatic scene” – well no, it hasn’t but it hasn’t had a government able to speak in unison for at least a year now. “Germany bends to the will of whatever US government there is” – I am much less sure of that being true when a less respectful/respectable person assumes presidency; clearly, everyone will have to make do regardless.
The disparity between rhetoric and reality, hence the hypocrisy is the result of her public statements.
Values are worthless if you throw them out immediately. If she couldn’t see her values respected, she could have resigned.
In regards to weapon deliveries to Israel the decision requires every involved ministry, including hers to sign off on them. So she had a veto power she never used, in particular now that Germany is boasting about sending more weapons, which will undermine any credibility when criticizing China for doing the same with Russia. But unlike Germany, China is not a signatory to the ICC. So China is not violating any of its international obligations. Germany is.
And in regards to Habeck i remember an interview with both of them in the last election cycle, when Baerbock was made the “chancellor candidate” by the Green party. She boasted how she has a background in international law, whereas Habeck has a background on the pig farm. “Schweinestall”.
She owns every bit of her lies and it is evident that she is a spineless career politician, who does not believe in any values.
Nobody takes Baerbock seriously
That’s why there are so many campaigns focusing on her and green party, because no one fears such a weak person and party! Greens did more than everyone before and they are only one small part of german government.
