I’m so tired of opening Lemmy and seeing this stupid article.
What are you going to do about it?
Downvote generally. We don’t need to be directing our attention to troll garbage.
The first step to writing an article like this is to bend your spine backwards until your head is inside your asshole.
Opinion piece, folks. The NYT is a boot licking rag but opinion pieces are the opinion of the individual writer, sometimes someone not even associated with the paper. I’ve seen wild shit go up there that they’d never agree with.
Opinion pieces are chosen by the editors. They don’t allow any opinions they don’t want to make print.
Exactly. For example, they have a policy of not allowing trans writers to write opinion pieces on trans issues, as they consider the people most knowledgeable about trans issues to be “biased.”
Yes. They put it up because everyone is reading it and seething and sharing it and talking about it.
Are you not familiar with how media operates? It’s often a cynical business reflecting only one thing: they like money.
Brett Stevens is a permanent opinion piece writer at the NYT. This isn’t directly from the editorial board but it is a person they hired directly.
He is their “pet conservative” though so he’s a professional moron.
And what a stupidly ignorant opinion that is.
Agreed
Asshole is also a defender of “USA should police the whole world”, so he can go fuck himself with pineapple leaves.
It’s a Bret Stephens opinion piece. He’s the token conservative of the column. He is literally 1 out of 18 other columnists. He doesn’t even remotely represent The Times as a whole. This declaration is almost as dumb as Bret…almost.
Wow, I’m sure the masses disagree with this opinion.
It sounds like Bret really idolizes that CEO. I hope he guys the same treatment
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
The author, Bret Stephens, inherited his fortune from a chemical company his parents built. Just for context as to why he defends a sleezy multi-millionaire
Even his name exudes privilege. Who names their kid Bret anymore? Seriously…
I read that as “Brat”, lol.
I mean might as well
Here’s the article summary:
“One time, Brian worked in a field. Luigi on the other hand, had rich parents, just like Osama Bin Laden.”
I fucking wish I was joking.
I laughed out loud at this.
An alternate opinion column could be: “One time, Adolf was an aspiring artist. Winston on the other hand, had rich parents, just like Osama Bin Laden.”
Winston Churchill was a genuinely awful human being and a war criminal prior to WWII.
He lucked out by also being a moderately competent wartime leader, who gets to be juxtaposed against Hitler for eternity.
Also, Brett Stephens is a bed bug and has a terrible track record of properly handling public backlash to his writing. I hope dark days are ahead for him.
Yeah I know he’s not an angel and is in the example specifically due to the juxtaposition.
I understand someone brings this up everytime Churchill is mentioned in a good light, so out of curiosity: who would be a better comparable figurehead? Joseph? Franklin? Neville? Albert?
Churchill is fine to use. People keep trying to go back and just shit on everything, at some point you have to just move on. He literarily helped defeat Hitler, that has to count for something.
Spoken like someone who has no historical understanding of Churchill’s pre-WWII legacy. He’s not retroactively awful, he was awful by the standards of his own era.
https://jacobin.com/2022/09/winston-churchill-british-empire-racism-wwii
I’m still waiting for you to help me find an appropriate alternative. Which ww2-era leader was not racist?
Churchill wasn’t bad simply because he was a racist… I think retrograde views on race are one of the areas where it’s reasonable make allowances when judging historical figures.
Churchill was an aristocrat and an imperialist responsible for numerous atrocities within Britain’s colonial holdings, and that’s not even going into his anti-labor beliefs and practices.
The reason why I didn’t provide you an alternative was because your original comment never required you to mention Churchill. That was an unforced error on your part, as the comment you were responding to wasn’t an analogy to begin with.
But if you’re deadset on needing an alternative for your unnecessary analogy, FDR is easily the best of a bad bunch.
Also, Brett Stephens is a bed bug
Wow we’re just going to allow blatant antisemitism on here /s
Holy fucking shit. Imagine writing this out and thinking it’s a good thing to publish. What an idiot. What a buffoon. What an absolute bitch boy cuck ass moron.
Came to comment on the columnist being a corporate shill piece of shit, but you found more flowery words :)
I’d call him a buttchugging fuck dandy, but that’s just me.
You could all be right. He could be an absolute piece of shit buttchugging bitch boy cuck ass moron dandy corporate shill.
“Oh God, the poor are uniting! Quick, we need to stir up some division”
“He ate steaks like Trump, not like that despicable vegetarian, Hitler”
You do realize this is an opinion column? You can tell by the big letters at the top that spell out OPINION
EDIT: here’s my “both sides” take on this, you all are as dumb as Fox News viewers. IMO (notice the O stands for opinion, please do not hold Lemmy accountable for what I say) schools need to implement a class on the media. Kids need to learn the difference between news and opinion. Also learn how to identify the source of the news. Also don’t post your nudes on the internet. Things are about to get a lot worse with AI and deep fakes
NYT still saw fit to publish it. Most would consider that a tacit endorsement.
That, and the author is a regular writer for the opinion section there, with consistently terrible takes.
Somebody paid NYT and this parasite to do this job.
Plebs need to understand that these shill ops ain’t free…
Yeah and? Doesn’t make his opinion any less garbage
You do realize, even for an opinion piece, this is astoundingly poor quality and taste? You can tell by having two brain cells to rub together.
I expect this sort of shit from a tabloid, not from any organization claiming journalistic integrity. A shitty piece is still a shitty piece, even if it’s hiding behind the opinion column banner.
Do you see NYT publishing any opinion pieces to the effect of “The healthcare CEO socially murdered thousands every year and the fact that we don’t have a legal mechanism to deal with them is infinitely more important than a guy who only killed one person”
I have an opinion, you’re an ignorant bootlicker! Should that get posted to the frontpage of the times too?
That commeneter is a classic neo lib call for “reasonableness”
Daddy is raping you but you need to hear about both sides, boy:
It is for your own good
Purity Now! Purity Tomorrow! Purity Forever!
An opinion The NY Times chose to share with their readers.
The great thing about opinions? They typically spur opinions from other people. And those opinions spur more opinions.
What I’m trying to say is that the article being an opinion does not in any way negate the comment you’re being dismissive of, which in itself is an opinion too. That’s kind of how conversations happen.
Your point? The Editor still has control over what is allowed to be printed/released and associated with their name.
Nobody responding to you was unaware this was an opinion piece.
Reread the responses and try again.
Opinions should be here to stay!
I liked the preprint of their opinion column publishing tomorrow, headline:
Some of those kids in Palestine were asking for it
NYT doesn’t decide if its news or opinion alone, so does their audience.
Therefore they are responsible for the ideas they give a platform too.
Do you remember why are they avoiding face shots of Luigi?
In a comment full of shit takes, i just wanna point out that you think the government teaching media literacy in school is the solution?
I hope you wear a helmet regularly.
So edgey, dear
Here’s the article, for anyone interested.
It basically boils down to: Brian Thompson grew up in a working class family in Iowa, while Luigi Mangione came from wealth and went to private schools. He compares Mangione to Osama bin Laden, and other “Angry rich kids jacked up on radical, nihilistic philosophies,” who “cause a lot of harm, not least to the working-class folks whose interests they pretend to champion.”
The author then mentions some polling that says people like their health insurance provider, actually. And then finally he says this:
Thompson’s life may have been cut brutally short, but it will remain a model for how a talented and determined man from humble roots can still rise to the top of corporate life without the benefit of rich parents and an Ivy League degree.
Without a stitch of irony. Thompson may have come from working class roots, but that ain’t where he ended up. So if it’s ok to become rich, but it’s not ok to be born rich, then I guess this author supports a 100% inherence tax? Yeah, somehow I doubt it.
The fact that he came from working class roots and chose to become a massive piece of shit makes him even worse than someone who was born into privilege.
Likewise, Luigi Mangione came from a background of privilege, yet gave it all up in the fight for the rights of all Americans.
Turns out you can be born into the working class and still be a piece of shit, and you can be born well off and still be a decent person.
The people writing these opinion pieces should be thrilled to hear that there is still hope for their children.
Likewise, Luigi Mangione came from a background of privilege, yet gave it all up in the fight for the rights of all Americans.
That’s very true. Mangione sacrificed his upper class life to fight back against the system, whereas Thompson used the opportunities afforded him by the system to enrich himself at the expense of others.
to enrich himself at the expense of others.
You didn’t finish your sentence properly.
to enrich himself at the expense of others lives.
And THIS is one of the many reasons we love him.
I don’t remember the dead class traitor’s name and I don’t care to.
Yes! Brian Thompson and Luigi were both class traitors for completely different reasons. Thompson betrayed the working class for his own selfishess while Luigi was like Engels in that he walked away from extreme privilege because he was disgusted by what his class was doing to us.
People aren’t responsible for how they’re born. Being born into a family that’s benefitted from human suffering is out of their control.
Choosing to harm people in order to join a class of societal leeches is different.
Staying in that position of privilege you were born into is also a choice.
(I agree with you while people are young though)
Staying in that position of privilege you were born into is also a choice.
is it? You can just undo like 15 years of child rearing in that privileged position? Seems factually incorrect to me.
Undo? No?
But it doesn’t take that much effort to do some minimal self-education about power structures and injustice and see the patterns. I’d say given how mainstream those discussions are on much of social media these days, it probably takes active work to avoid a basic understanding…
Came from working class roots…and then decided that those same people get to die so he can make a buck.
Insurance companies are run by sociopaths
I don’t give a fuck where someone came from, only where they CHOSE to end up.
Siddartha Gautama (better know as the Buddha) was literally born a prince and gave up his life of privilege in order to live as a beggar. Sure, he never killed anyone (except his own future life as a king), but he still became a saint. Meanwhile, Jesus may have come from more humble roots but he could have become a king had he chosen to do so.
All I’m saying is Reuters clearly knows where their bread is buttered.
As a side note, I recommend reading a lot of Buddhist writings for everyone!
It’s cool how something so old has found its way to being useful in modern clinical psychology.
I certainly can’t disagree there.
Everything changes except people (ok we do but we haven’t had much evolutionary time given our reproductive rates since we developed permanent settlements)
The article in question was an opinion piece published by the New York Times. Why are you bringing Reuters into this?
My bad. New York Times, then.
No worries! I was actually wondering if they were connected somehow that I want aware of.
Nah, probably just a carryover from some other thread (I’ve been seeing a LOT of them on this topic obvs).
Also I might be slightly drunk if that helps.
Also I might be slightly drunk if that helps.
Always helps me! I’m getting into some vodka after I get home from work in a few hours. Cheers!
I feel like these ghouls at the NYTrash are far more “nihilistic” than Luigi.
Angry rich kids jacked up on radical, nihilistic philosophies can cause a lot of harm, not least to the working-class folks whose interests they pretend to champion.
Or angry, greedy rich people jacked up on conservatism.
I was hoping it was going to be a satire OpEd, but nope. Mangione is just a disaffected radical rich kid he compares to Bin Laden and other terrorists who came from well-off families. The writer stops at Thompson’s early normal life and completely disregards the health insurance industry’s problems, which Thompson’s company was a major contributor, claims people are mostly happy with their insurance while the study has no “would you prefer to pay less and get the same service for single-payer care” option. It’s basically “do you like your expensive care you have little/no choice about?”
Dude wrote an anti-populist article to be inflammatory and told people to shut up because they like their insurance overlords.
told people to shut up because they like their insurance overlords.
Idiots keep answering these surveys like bootlickers than wonder why owners change nothing.
So they are able to use sample 20k to justify police for 300m people.
If you ever answer surveys like these, don’t be a dumb ass. This is a class war, act like it.
When the only questions to surveys are:
Do you prefer:
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A horse kick to the nuts
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Stabbed in the eye with a hot poker
You can say: 72% of people prefer being kicked in the nuts by a horse.
There is no “I’d rather have chicken” option.
So a few answering or not will make no difference when the options are restricted to funneling the answer they want to the top.
I remember there used to be an internet joke site that included “the most accurate web poll ever” in which a significant majority votes that they wanted a car that burst into flames when you signal left more than anything in the world. In second place was a goiter.
When you click the link to take the poll, those were easily the best presented options as answers to the question “What do you want most in the world?”
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The New York Times has been pure shit since the W years when they pushed Iraq war propaganda.
Trump is an evil moron, but he’s right about one thing, our media is full of shills and liars.
The crazy part is they are lying and shilling for the right, while being called “leftist”, it’s a fantastic lie that has been propagated.
The newspapers used to publish whatever the government said was true when it came to war and foreign policy. That changed slightly when news reporters in Vietnam repeatedly witnessed the reality and reported it back regardless of what their editors and government officials wanted to be published.
It was why Vietnam vets returning home were called baby killers. Because they were killing babies. Now the press have realigned themselves to return to being under the hegemony of the government in hopes of staying in business.
If they call it Leftist, they can pretend to be the lovable underdog
It’s been shit for longer than that.
Right now they have an article for the case against vigilantism. Fucking hell qualified immunity is state based vigilantism.
