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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don’t care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal “Chinese spy,” while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
“This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren’t controlled by the same few oligarchs,” Quintin said. “People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks.”
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idk, pixelfed is doing great.
Where were people’s protests & complaints when the US government were first proposing the ban?
others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that’s just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)
People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.
If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.
It’s engineered for a niche, and it’s perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.
No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.
Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were “Devil’s on this earth for killing babies” which like…damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren’t beating the allegations.
So I’m sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn’t worry.
The tiktok ban was never about China. It was about killing off a dissent medium.
People so stupid
Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn’t know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it’s not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:
As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)
Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute
I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination
Sure, but people cannot cry about a service disappearing when disappearing resistant technology exists and just needs attention. Like, it’s being worked on, either help or get out of the way and quit complaining
I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.
Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.
Apparently convenience isn’t actually a barrier? I’m baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.
A big barrier is the UI, the default lemmy UI is terrible.
The apps aren’t great either, I’m very techy and haven’t found one feels as nice as reddit (and the reddit app has many issues)
Normies just aren’t going to push past all those barriers
show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problemLoops by Pixelfed
IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You’re not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.
I don’t see why the concept should be unethical.
In practice, of course it is insanely unethical as the algorithms are designed to maximize view time which leads to algorithmic radicalization and hate spreading more quickly, but the concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.
I don’t see why the concept should be unethical
I give every dog I meet all the peanut butter it can eat no matter what every time whether or not the dog is mine
It’s expensive for video though.
In other words, I have a hard time seeing Pixelfed with a high quality “benign” TikTok algorithm. It’s already possible for music, but video data\analysis is just so voluminous that, without the profitable exploitation backing it, I don’t see how they’d pay for it.
I think it’s probably marketing more than convenience
It’s marketing, but it’s also the value proposition. Average Joes don’t see the value in decentralization, privacy, or the freedom from corporate control. Although that may change under an authoritarian regime…
I agree. You have to either be in the tech sphere or privacy sphere to know about fediverse apps. Outside of reddit refugees I don’t think anyone using the normal apps know about fediverse options or what that even means to be decentralized. I don’t think it’s really a functionality or convenience issue, we really need our own special interest groups or something to help with fedi app branding and PR. Not sure if that is even something that is crowd sourceble?
Ptime example:
TikTok doesn’t want the data of the average person becaue they aren’t valuable in any way.
TikTok is being blocked because they can manipulate their algorithm to feed influencers to them that push pro-Chinese stances.
Imagine a hypothetical hot war between the US and China where China is telling a significant number of the US population what to think. I specifically say it that way becaue I don’t believe any US company has a significant user base is China.
And because of the potential blackmail stuff I suppose
They want a platform that isn’t controlled by oligarchs yet they go to a platform that is controlled by the CCP, interesting
I mean the CCP isn’t an oligarchy; it’s an old school dictatorship.
You have been site-banned from .ml
In addition, every hour, on the hour, a jackbooted wannabe PLA soldier that looks remarkably like they could be any random 15 year-old kid from Cleveland will be at your door to read- and mispronounce several paragraphs of The Communist Manifesto.
FWIW Pixelfed’s been growing like crazy the last couple days
Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats
edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Not the first on the app store, unfortunately…
I understand people arguing that a lot of advocacy work is on tiktok, hence it is important; but I really wish good people can advocate on good platforms, instead of monopolistic data-hungry tech oligarchs.
Lemmy doesn’t have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.
Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public
This is it. A strong public domain benefits everyone. It is why open source software works.
On that note, I’d be shocked if one or more of the alphabet agencies haven’t developed a half-duplex version of the fediverse platforms purely for surveillance purposes. The openness of the ecosystem is really nice, but the default promiscuity of the protocols in question does have some specific and notable drawbacks.
AFAIU Lemmy sends your username, a user ID, and URI along with your message. That’s pretty innocuous.
It’s way less innocuous than you think.
But yeah, it’s only the stuff that you’d expect it to send. And only the stuff it needs to send. But the thing is, the valuable data those social networks gather is almost exactly that. They will invade your privacy and get everything they can, but the real value is on that and what you read. (What you read isn’t shared here.)
Content sure, but not where you are when you posted it and other meta data
You forgot .ml
So they are stupid.
I like your welcoming attitude! /s
Truth hurts some but eases others irritation.
“This is why Trump won!!11!”
Cause people are idiots? Yeah, I think so.
