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Hey, non bigoted hate for once. Progress is progress.
I still watched the umbrella academy.
The whole time I’m going “where’s the sex scene!”
It’s weird, but … I find that almost … wholesome?
It’s hate with respect! The best king of hate!
I kind of get it. Their awkwardness may or may not be some sort of comedic relief in Umbrella Academy. Hard Candy was an okay movie I guess.
I think Eliott Page is a he
Using they conveys a detached tone which matches the detached and ambivalent nature of the comment. See similarly “I don’t care what they think” or “I don’t know why they act that way” which would normally be used in informal conversation to signify a lack of engagement with the subject.
Using “they” conveys that you don’t know their gender, such as in your examples. It is often misused for trans people, but seldom do people refer to specific cis people as “they”.
Correct. But it’s often used for specific cis people when you are trying to create a detached or dismissive tone about those cis people. That’s what the poster was doing. They were being very ambivlant and detached about Page’s motivations and abilities. It’s sensitive because in both cases it’s being used to distance yourself from their identity. “I don’t care what he thinks” is less dismissive and more confrontational than “I don’t care what they think.” See similarly “they can do what they want” used when the gender is known, implying you’ve washed your hands completely of a person vs assigning them agency.
The above poster used “Their awkwardness” as well which isn’t a confrontational use of singular they and establishes a habit for distancing themselves from using the known correct pronouns.
In the trans community this is sometimes known as “The coward’s they”. A soft form of transphobic behavior that refuses someone’s gender when a trans person is well known enough or their gender is self evident by their presentation and behaviour but the person referring to them really doesn’t want to use the correct pronoun. Sometimes it’s a not intentional thing the brain does when outright transphobia mashes up against the brain coding someone they see as passing so “they” starts getting used so the speaker doesn’t trip up and accidentally use the correct pronoun. When done intentionally it’s designed to be subtle enough to not be caught by people just on the outside edge of trans inclusive communities but to trans people and their nearest and dearest it’s usually pretty obvious. Basically a dogwhistle.
You do not need to be a white knight for this person by trying to pour over their diction to try and find some pretext to defend them. Challenges to a coward’s they are usually no more than a reminder of a person’s actual pronouns. Short and sweet and over with quickly. Either the person gets the hint or they don’t care. It’s only when this response starts happening that people think using “they” dismissively to trans people works the same way as using “they” dismissively to cis people and the coward’s they finds the camouflage it needs to live on because even if this was not a coward’s they it functions exactly the same to a trans listener.
Quoting November Kelly, “She, but they if you are mad at me”
I used zero gendered terms in my comment.
It can come across as weird/deliberate if you’re using “they” for trans people but “he”/“she” for cis people (obviously, not gendering is still miles better than misgendering though)
Ratio’d
“their awkwardness”?
Idk about your native language but English does not rely on gender for grammar and therefor you can create sentences describing anything and anyone without assigning gendered pronouns.
“They/them” are not terms assigning no gender, they are terms devoid of assignment.
“their” is literally a gender neutral pronoun.
Elliott uses he/they pronouns!
I’m a huge fan of Inception but I have to admit that Elliot is fairly flat in that movie. Page’s earlier work seems to have more dynamic characters, like Hard Candy, Trailer Park Boys, and Juno. Page has always been my celebrity crush though so I’m pretty biased.
Wow, I forgot he was in trailer park boys. What a beautiful show.
I love both Page and Inception, but I agree, his most memorable moment was his kiss with JGL. I remember seeing it in theaters and thinking, “Why does this feel queer?”
When he came out, it finally clicked. Crush confirmed.
When artists become successful they often seem to lose the spark that got them there. Not sure what to do with that, tho.
There’s a studied effect on pro athletes where getting paid to play makes them lose their love of the game, and I think it’s something like that. Anecdotally I used to love acting but I didn’t even last a year in the theatre industry before I burned out and haven’t acted in a single thing since.
I have had the same with my job as IT developer. It was a hobby for years but then I got paid and did my hobby paid, making the hobby less fun.
Now that I’ve grown in my job, I’m more in IT architecture, and less writing code loosely, which makes the hobby field of IT available and fun again.
That same effect has been documented in kids who were paid to draw. After being paid to draw, they were far less likely to choose to draw when given a choice of activities.
Super important thing to understand about psychology if you want to motivate people.
I assume it’s less about being paid and more about it breaking their body as they inject a designer cocktail of drugs daily while they play or train for the same game all day every day.
Don’t boo him he’s right.
Same with Nolan honestly, overrated as fuck. Go back and watch the Nolan Batman and you’ll see some of the absolute worst action scenes and fight choreography in cinema. He also seems to take pride in being a pretentious fuck who interjects all his movies with fart art bullshit, instead of just focusing on making the movie watchable
interjects all his movies with fart art bullshit
Honestly I don’t see this one, but maybe it’s because I’m used to way worse
Try watching Tenet at home without subtitles.
Oh, you don’t have a 17.5ch cinema surround sound set at home? Too bad, guess subtitles it is.
Even cinemas struggled to make that audio mix nightmare distinguishable. You need subtitles every other scene with your 17.5 surround
That’s really at least half of the movies released nowadays, not just his.
A big part of why I’ve mostly deserted movie theatres.
The fact that Nolan puts in the effort to try to elevate his films above being popcorn slop is often what makes them stand out even if they sometimes fall short in other ways. If every director just painted by numbers then every movie would be a Marvel movie.
Nolan is like a try hard who can quite reach the level of artist he strives for even with a half a billion dollar budget. Even with all his resources he’ll never come close to being a Sergio Leone or a Scorcese
It is honestly hilarious and ironic how miffed you are about Nolan considering you’re also a pretentious fuck, but without anything to show for it.
The fact that Nolan isn’t getting the hint that people fucking HATE his sound mixing choices is insane to me.
I think it was Tenet that I watched for like 20 minutes and turned it off it was so frustrating, i couldn’t hear anything but murmuring
There’s probably no movie that changed my life as much as Interstellar. It’s literally one reason why I’m starting my master’s thesis in physics now. So Nolan movies will always be something special for me.
Interstellar is really great. I just watched it on IMAX and I wish I had earlier.
Are you writing it on how love transcends physics.
Yeah, I admit that part is pretty bad (even though you can discard it as her interpretation without it being the message of the movie, but I can see the issue with that). My point still stands. Literally why I got into cosmology.
I don’t watch a lot of film, is it that these guys use the Nicholas Cage “let the editor do all the acting” technique?
He’s actually just wrong. Nolan has a lot of action scenes in a lot of his movies, and while some of them do suck most of them are actually pretty great.
Agree but Interstellar and Oppy are still goated though.
Glad I’m not the only one with this opinion. Nolan films suck. Batman Begins was okay, though. But the second one was boring and I couldn’t even finish the 3rd. Within seconds of hearing that ridiculous voice Bane was doing, I had to turn it off cause I couldn’t stop laughing at how bad it sounded.
Interstellar was alright as well. But the second act felt rushed. Not a terrible film, just overrated as you said.
I really thought I was about to read something very transphobic, but nope, someone just has strong opinions on acting.
I like his work, to each their own I suppose
“I see you for who you are, you are valid, and you still suck” is a “delightful” take.
My sister taught me a lot about trans people when she transitioned and was just as awful as she was before. I held out the hope that it would somehow “fix” her from being a loud jerk, but that’s not how transitioning works.
That being said every other trans person I’ve ever met has been perfectly lovely so I know it’s not bigotry.
Trans people, like all other people, can be assholes. Assholery transcends everything. But so does goodness.
One of the best parts of equality is the ability to see people, past their differences, and realise some are just absolute fuckwits regardless.
My ex and I split up many years before I came out. This was pretty much my exs position on me when I came out.
The true hater. He hates your soul.
I hate you (respectfully)
He hates me for meee
I still can get over the logic behind choosing “Elliot” over “Allen” as a male name after transitioning. “Allen” is a perfectly masculine name and phonetically much closer to “Ellen”. People basically wouldn’t even have to rejust talking to you.
“It’s his choice what he wants to be called, so why do you care?” Because you yourself are probably the person who who says your own name the least. It’s something everybody else has to deal with.
When you get the chance to choose your name, you choose the one that makes you happy. It’s for you, not others. Your existence shouldn’t have to be convenient. Seek your joy, as long as it isn’t harming others.
What do you mean “when”? Everybody can choose their name at any time, it cost like 300 bucks plus the fees for new passports and the drivers license. Then it’s just a matter of calling all the official faculties to inform them of the change.
Its not some gracefully spiritual thing.
Plus actors and actresses can choose an additional stage name when registering with the SAG.
None of that invalidates anything I said. I don’t give a fuck what a state thinks you’re called.
Your name is far more important than that. It’s personal. It shapes how you think of yourself, and how others see you. It could be free, or it could be illegal. It would be exactly as important.
Not everyone has 300 dollars or the confidence to make any gender affirming documents right now that would alert the state to their presence.
https://news.yahoo.com/news/state-department-blocking-passports-trans-085646164.html.
Also they’re probably feeling unsafe interacting with the government where there are police present depending on what state they’re in, or which country they were born in.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390
Or in the case of a few Navaho people anywhere off the res. (However first nations people are 100% capable to have any fucking name they want on the res. So to them name changes might not be a problem.)
So no, right now at this minute not everyone can change their name in the US to whatever they want.
Who said anything about the US? Elliot Page is Canadian and I’m talking about a European perspective. Europe even gives you a free offical name change if you receive your citizenship.
Plus actors and actresses can choose an additional stage name when registering with the SAG.
Then you might want to state that in an international forum, especially when you reference SAG a US Union. Or might be talking about a trans person who works and lives in that country.
it cost like 300 bucks plus the fees for new passports and the drivers license.
Also the use of dollars might have alluded to it as well. Regardless of the denomination that is a good chunk of change for any person in the world. What an international comment you made.
You have to “deal” with referring to a celebrity by a name you don’t prefer? Somehow this is an inconvenience for you?
Its just a unique circumstance where a male and female name are almost phoneticaly almost identical and not taking advantage of that is kind if an oversight to your own fortune.
It’s like missing a curb by an inch and then getting out if the car to scratch your rims by hand anyway.
Maybe he wanted to distance himself a bit from his dead name? Maybe he liked his new name more? Maybe why tf you care so much?
I’m wondering if you talk to people face to face about these things. Do their eyes tend to glass over? Do they say uh huh alot?
These statements have the energy of a guy in a coffee shop asking a women to take one of her airpods out just to tell her that Elliot Page picked the wrong name.
Keep wondering.
Some people hate the name they were given at birth and don’t want one that’s similar.
Have you considered that he might like having his name start with E so his initials didn’t change for his signature?
Maybe the idea was to avoid similar-sounding names. It’s easier to make mistakes when a vowel sound is the only difference.
He played a really convincing teen girl that one time.
I liked him in Beyond two Souls
Hard Candy is such an underrated film
Is it actually underrated ?
I still see it mentioned every few months. It also gets highish marks on rottentomatoes.com (67/77). I’d deem it accurately rated.
It’s not underrated though. That word is used incorrectly too often.
You’re agreeing with me. Its not under or over, it’s rated as it should be.
