My guitar instructor first voted for Obama and then for trump. I think it came down to guns, increasing cost of living and generally just growing to hate democrats? He doesn’t hate me (knows I’m pretty liberal, but also I’ll bitch about democrats in a heartbeat). Spoke with his wife (much more level headed) and it seems… A tone of defeat? Cost of living is high, hard to raise a family on a set income, and for them Trump represented someone who would change things instead of the usual status quo represented by the democrats and the usual GOP. I think it is that, guns, and he is not really wanted by either party so they like him. He’s not a politician.
The only disruption a rich, white, old, NYC real-estate mogul provided to the system was saying the quiet parts out loud and forcing establishment R’s to choose between embracing his bullshit or alienating their bigoted base.
I can understand desperation, but it seems like the primary disruption has been a weakening of our democratic system and the ability for anything to get done at all, I don’t understand how this is seen as a positive even if life is expensive.
I also don’t understand how things like tax cuts that roll themselves back for normal people and not for the rich are seen as helpful.
Thanks for your honest answer, but how do you view the fact that he refused to accept defeat and tried to undermine the country’s democracy? Does that concern you? Honest question from a non- American.
More importantly though, the democrats claimed those were the things that caused them to lose the vote. They did not claim they did win, and those things were the things that point out that they did win.
“These are the things that made us lose” =/= “These are the reasons we didn’t lose”
Not all disruptions are the same. If you’re constipated you want to change the status quo, but that doesn’t mean shooting yourself in the dick is going to make anything better. So I think “we needed a change” is some combination of incomplete, dishonest, or thoughtless.
Also conservatives have bad takes on every issue so voting for one is not great.
Yeah, and some of those stories go “black people make me uncomfortable I don’t want them to live here” or “I don’t care about pollution I’m not going to be around to deal with it” or “we should just hang the gays” or any number of higher hanging fruit.
You can be the good guy in your story but if you vote conservative you are doing a bad thing, and you should stop.
Sad to see that our voting here is just as messed up as it was on Reddit. People will downvote a sensible cogent reply because they don’t like the politics of the poster. Then they’ll go and upvote a braindead 2 word comment like “fuck Trump”. Lemmings indeed.
This person gave a cogent and reasoned reply to the question and allowed us to see the reasoning of people on the other side, an opportunity rarely afforded to us here. And your response is an ad-hominim attack? Really?
You’re not going to get anyone not connected to the financial elites. They didn’t foresee Trump winning, and now they’re doing everything in their power to see that someone even slightly outside the system will never get elected again. You could fill 100 filing cabinets with all the crimes committed by all the presidents in the last century, yet he’s the only one thats actually having charges levied against him. The people prosecuting him don’t give a crap about justice, or whatever they think he did. They just want him out of the way. They’ve looked the other way at crimes 100X worse by others because they play the game.
I didn’t vote for him because I just got tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. The binary election system is a farce. People arguing between Democrats and Republicans are just useful idiots. I shall continue to be an unuseful idiot.
My guitar instructor first voted for Obama and then for trump. I think it came down to guns, increasing cost of living and generally just growing to hate democrats? He doesn’t hate me (knows I’m pretty liberal, but also I’ll bitch about democrats in a heartbeat). Spoke with his wife (much more level headed) and it seems… A tone of defeat? Cost of living is high, hard to raise a family on a set income, and for them Trump represented someone who would change things instead of the usual status quo represented by the democrats and the usual GOP. I think it is that, guns, and he is not really wanted by either party so they like him. He’s not a politician.
Removed by mod
The only disruption a rich, white, old, NYC real-estate mogul provided to the system was saying the quiet parts out loud and forcing establishment R’s to choose between embracing his bullshit or alienating their bigoted base.
I can understand desperation, but it seems like the primary disruption has been a weakening of our democratic system and the ability for anything to get done at all, I don’t understand how this is seen as a positive even if life is expensive.
I also don’t understand how things like tax cuts that roll themselves back for normal people and not for the rich are seen as helpful.
Thanks for your honest answer, but how do you view the fact that he refused to accept defeat and tried to undermine the country’s democracy? Does that concern you? Honest question from a non- American.
Removed by mod
Well, first you did exactly pull a whatabout-ism.
More importantly though, the democrats claimed those were the things that caused them to lose the vote. They did not claim they did win, and those things were the things that point out that they did win.
“These are the things that made us lose” =/= “These are the reasons we didn’t lose”
Not all disruptions are the same. If you’re constipated you want to change the status quo, but that doesn’t mean shooting yourself in the dick is going to make anything better. So I think “we needed a change” is some combination of incomplete, dishonest, or thoughtless.
Also conservatives have bad takes on every issue so voting for one is not great.
Removed by mod
Yeah, and some of those stories go “black people make me uncomfortable I don’t want them to live here” or “I don’t care about pollution I’m not going to be around to deal with it” or “we should just hang the gays” or any number of higher hanging fruit.
You can be the good guy in your story but if you vote conservative you are doing a bad thing, and you should stop.
Sad to see that our voting here is just as messed up as it was on Reddit. People will downvote a sensible cogent reply because they don’t like the politics of the poster. Then they’ll go and upvote a braindead 2 word comment like “fuck Trump”. Lemmings indeed.
No one likes bootlickers. What a shock.
Wow… Everything you just said is factually, objectively wrong. Our country is WORSE because of Trump. What’s wrong with you?
This person gave a cogent and reasoned reply to the question and allowed us to see the reasoning of people on the other side, an opportunity rarely afforded to us here. And your response is an ad-hominim attack? Really?
Yes. I tend to not need to listen to why a Nazi is a Nazi, but if you think you can glean some hidden meaning from doing so, you go right ahead.
You’re not going to get anyone not connected to the financial elites. They didn’t foresee Trump winning, and now they’re doing everything in their power to see that someone even slightly outside the system will never get elected again. You could fill 100 filing cabinets with all the crimes committed by all the presidents in the last century, yet he’s the only one thats actually having charges levied against him. The people prosecuting him don’t give a crap about justice, or whatever they think he did. They just want him out of the way. They’ve looked the other way at crimes 100X worse by others because they play the game.
I didn’t vote for him because I just got tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. The binary election system is a farce. People arguing between Democrats and Republicans are just useful idiots. I shall continue to be an unuseful idiot.
Removed by mod