• morrowind@lemmy.ml
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    13 hours ago

    idk, I feel like we could take a much better approach to this. Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?

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      1 hour ago

      Fuck that.

      We got in this situation from our side being too polite and dismissive. The only language that they understand is sophomoric and emotional, so it is time to communicate with them in the only way they know how. We tried rationally explaining what was going to happen. It’s happening, now it’s time to rub their nose in it and point out that their inability to engage their brain landed all of us in this situation. Then hope to God some neurons dust themselves off and start firing.

    • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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      10 hours ago

      Lots of people responding here are missing your point. If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity. You shouldn’t tell them what to do (ie “Don’t watch Fox News”), but rather, follow the Socratic Method to guide them to question their sources. Start small - their entire worldview won’t shatter in one conversation. But if you see cracks forming in their beliefs, that’s something worth fostering.

      No, not everybody is going to see the light. It’s important to know your “audience.” If you don’t believe they’re asking in good faith, or if you’re not comfortable engaging with them, then please don’t do it. At the same time, although it would feel really good to throw a We told you so! at them, it’s better saved for rants among like-minds. Responding with such hostility to somebody who already feels used and betrayed isn’t going to help them find their way back to reality.

      Remember that we are going to need to be as united as possible on this war against the oligarchs. Whether someone has seen this threat coming for years, or only just now realized what’s going on, it’s not going to matter in the big picture. It’s better to educate than isolate.

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        3 hours ago

        Thank you. I didn’t have time to go into such detail but this is spot. Really feels like we’re throwing away a rare opportunity to persuade trump supporters

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        8 hours ago

        Right, democrats are the enlightened bunch and republicans are fumbling in the dark. The mythology continues.

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        9 hours ago

        Lots of people responding here are missing your point

        No, they’re making a counter-point, that’s not the same thing. Their point is:

        If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity

        To laugh in their faces and mock them, as they deserve. Because these people have already gotten the nice attempts, and can now eat shit

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      13 hours ago

      “If you believed x, maybe it’s time to look at who told you x and whether they’re a trustworthy source of information”

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        12 hours ago

        This happened in the UK too with Brexit. When things turned out badly, in the exact way as was predicted, it was “this isn’t what I voted for”. But the problem was never with the vote itself, it was always the fault of politicians not implementing things correctly, it was the EU’s fault for not giving them what they wanted although they voted to be outside of it, experts didn’t warn them enough although they ridiculed said experts because the experts didn’t went along with the Brexit beliefs.

        It’s like trying to be Scully and going against Mulder’s “I want to believe”.

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          10 hours ago

          I mean if you read it article it’s full of “this is the Democrats fault” and “we made a mistake, but we’ll never admit it”. So many are still flailing, looking for anyone else to blame and absolve them of a dumbass move.

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            4 hours ago

            The truth is handed in a silver platter but that reality is immediately rejected and replaced with their own wishes and dreams.

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      12 hours ago

      maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was

      people have been doing this for years. YEARS

      i will mock and ridicule them until the day i die. fuck trump, and fuck trump supporters.

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      11 hours ago

      Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?

      20 years of pointing out that shit like Fox News was just feels over reals sure did a lot of good on that front.

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      12 hours ago

      I guarantee you that the people saying “this isn’t what I voted for” voted for him in 2016, 2020, and in 2024.

      They got exactly what they voted for. These people are just surprised that the leopard is eating their face, and not those of darker skin.

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      12 hours ago

      This works when no faith is involved. Trumpists are a cult. People who believe in something at an irrational level (like what happens with religious fundamentalists) can’t be reasoned with. They are way beyond the point where reason works with them. Now only a very hard wake up in the form of a traumatic event will work for them.

      Have you ever tried to convince a very religious person that their god doesn’t exist? Same thing.