Summary
Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, an 11-year-old girl from Gainesville, Texas, died by suicide after enduring months of bullying over her family’s immigration status.
Classmates allegedly mocked her and threatened to report her family to ICE. The school was aware of the bullying but failed to notify Carranza’s family.
Her mother, Marbella Carranza, only learned of the harassment after her daughter’s death and is now working with investigators and the school to understand what happened and why she was not notified.
At 11? Christ, that is devastating.
Yeah I’m kinda speechless. It doesn’t bear thinking about but I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.
Yeah, let’s blame her.
What?
I’m not blaming her?
Okay hear me out. I give this one single try. If you do not take your time to think about this and double down on your ignorance I will not further engage.
A little girl has been bullied to a point where she saw no other option than ending her own life. This is huge. It’s one of our must fundamental instincts.
She was murdered. By her bullies, by the system, by everyone who enabled this to happen. She was murdered.
Questioning whether she was fully aware of the consequences shifts the blame from the offenders to her. You imply an overreaction. You imply that the griev, drama, and negative emotions are in no relation to what she has been through. You question whether she has reached out for help enough. You question whether she tried.
Rest assured: she did. https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/341671/9789290228578-eng.pdf?sequence=1
In defense of nuance, I think this take is pretty unreasonable. I understand if you want to call people out for victim-blaming, but it’s very clear the commenter had no malicious intent by wondering about details about the tragedy. Why are we so eager for villains?
I don’t really care whether you engage.
It’s an absurdity to suggest that my comment shifts blame to an 11 year old victim.
Sure ok maybe some asshole Alex Jones type might try to say she over reacted, and they might do that by undermining her agency.
That doesn’t mean that someone wondering about what an 11 year old’s understanding of suicide might be, is doing anything other than grieving for our collective loss of innocence.
It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder in trying to process the death of someone so young.
Sire sounded like you where.
Blame?
That’s not blame.
That’s a perfectly normal thing to wonder.
These are both very plausible and terrible things.
No 'blame" in there. Get off that soapbox and back onto earth.
It’s not that simple though is it.
An 11 year old can probably explain what death means, but not really understand the permanence or significance of the event especially in the context of the transience of bullying.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11 year old or maybe even been one. they understand it as much as anyone in that situation would. point being no one in that situation fully does. that’s not the state of mind that typically leads to suicide.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11-year old. They’re typically incapable of doing things so traumatic that a person with an comprehensive understanding of life and suicide would take the suicide option. The stats are so insignificant they can barely be acknowledged.
I find it quite crass that you’re so staunchly opposed to other people.contemplating multiple explanations for such an ordeal. First you throw in the word “blame” out of context, but I think it’s worse that you’re putting this much energy into keeping the narrative in such a black and white manner for what can only be assumed is that it best suits your political views.
As said before—and whether you fit into it or mot—its normal human behaviour to contemplate and consider such things, especially with death. You can’t lash out at people for being normal just because you don’t like it.
Just a heads up: they are not me 😅
If it doesn’t bear thinking about, remove your comment.
I promise you, at 11 you know what death is. And it’s the ADULTS responsibility to protect you anyway. Why are you blaming the victim?
How can you promise that? I’ll admit I didn’t fully understand it then, I didn’t have any deaths in my close family until much later, so I never had to reconcile with it.
She was fucking 11, you dumbass.
Sorry I don’t really understand what’s so dumb about this question.
If she actually intended suicide (which we don’t know), then to what extent did she understand the permanence of death in the context of the transience of feelings.
What you’re failing to understand is that you’re being an insufferable twat. Do you ask this about adults, too? There are very few people pushed to suicide who consider how transient feelings are, and that’s hardly the point here. You don’t have to face tragedy with obnoxiousness.
Oh you’re asking if she could relatively conceive of what life would be like without her in it, especially to her family and friends. If she had that level of mindfulness and could pre-meditate the consequences.
I mean, she was 11. And even fully grown adults can barely know what the consequences of their actions will be, so I doubt this was ever something considered.
It was probably a combination of short-term pain felt by herself and shame felt towards her family that led to the breaking point. Makes me dissociate just thinking about this story
What the OP doesn’t realize is that if one is at the point of suicide, the loss to their family and friends doesn’t even cross their minds no matter the age.
All they can think of is ending the pain. Doesn’t matter if you’re 11 or 30.
The comment is stupid and clearly OP has never spoken with a suicidal person before. All they’re doing is victim blaming.
Alternatively, they do think of their loved ones but through the lens of, “their lives would be better without me.”
I can’t help but wonder if her bullies may have made this poor girl think she might be responsible if her parents faced repercussions from immigration policies. Regardless, it’s a tragedy that a life was lost so young and it’s inconceivable that the school took no action that may have prevented it.
What was she doing?
Committing suicide?
Right nevermind then. I interpreted your statement as if the girl was doing something wrong that caused her to bullied into suicide