U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken says the United States and its allies should not support a cease-fire or peace talks to end the war in Ukraine until Kyiv gains strength and can negotiate on its own terms. Blinken said in Finland on Friday that heeding calls from Russia and others for negotiations now would result in a false “Potemkin peace” that wouldn’t secure Ukraine’s sovereignty and or enhance European security. He argued that a cease-fire allowing Russian President Vladimir Putin “to consolidate control over the territory he has seized, and rest, rearm, and re-attack" would not bring "a just and lasting peace.” Kyiv has given confusing signals about whether a counteroffensive is coming or already underway.
“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.
“Over” with Putin having gotten what he wants after killing millions of Ukrainians and still occupying their land. So no, fuck Putin and fuck anyone who supports his insane bloody quest for glory.
(edit) - Wow it’s only been like 24 hours since I’ve been on Lemmy and I’ve been in arguments with and been down voted by tankies and fascist supporters.
There were plenty of people back in the day that said the U.S. should stay out of Europe and the Pacific. That we should just let the Nazis and Japan do what they pleased. Those people were either cowards or traitors.
In the end, it’s clear one country is the aggressor and must be stopped before they wipe out the other. Your argument boils down to “nah, fuck them Ukranians, let them die because Putin wants it”. Nope.
It’s Putin’s war. He can end it when he likes by getting the fuck out of Ukraine.
The US was involved in WWII from the beginning. They were just on the side of the Nazis. The State only intervened openly in the end to prevent the spread of communism. Then they made sure to rescue as many Nazis as possible and put them in positions of power in West Germany, the EU, and NATO, etc.
Since that war, the US has been doing ‘what they pleased’, exactly what the Nazis and what Japan would’ve done. To this day the US tortures, runs concentration camps, and brutally oppresses billions of people around the world.
Those who argued for the US to stay out were right then, and are still right today.
I have 2 quick questions 1 how can “Tankies” communists, Marxist Lenninists, The most anti-Facist folks you will ever meet facist supporters?
Second how exactly is this Putin’s war, as far as I can tell it is Ukraine who violated the Minsk accords for years and that was the inciting incident for this whole thing, now if you could show me how I am wrong I am all ears, but I feel it is irresponsible to pin an entire war on the president of a nation, let alone the one who did not violate the previous agreement
you link to a massive report by - ahem - rand - a dubious source of its own, and don’t even bother to explain your point or who this adds anything to back it up. more like you google your position and just linked the first thing that confirmed your bias. you’ve gone from comparing Ukraine to Afghanistan to moving the goalposts to just calling it a proxy war. your argument keeps falling apart and changing.
if you had an argument to make, you would, rather than relying on something you don’t understand and can’t explain to do it or you.
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not in any way like afghanistan
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pull out of what? we’re not in. we have no troops over there like we did in afganistan.
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“Over” with Putin having gotten what he wants after killing millions of Ukrainians and still occupying their land. So no, fuck Putin and fuck anyone who supports his insane bloody quest for glory.
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(edit) - Wow it’s only been like 24 hours since I’ve been on Lemmy and I’ve been in arguments with and been down voted by tankies and fascist supporters.
There were plenty of people back in the day that said the U.S. should stay out of Europe and the Pacific. That we should just let the Nazis and Japan do what they pleased. Those people were either cowards or traitors.
In the end, it’s clear one country is the aggressor and must be stopped before they wipe out the other. Your argument boils down to “nah, fuck them Ukranians, let them die because Putin wants it”. Nope.
It’s Putin’s war. He can end it when he likes by getting the fuck out of Ukraine.
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The US was involved in WWII from the beginning. They were just on the side of the Nazis. The State only intervened openly in the end to prevent the spread of communism. Then they made sure to rescue as many Nazis as possible and put them in positions of power in West Germany, the EU, and NATO, etc.
Since that war, the US has been doing ‘what they pleased’, exactly what the Nazis and what Japan would’ve done. To this day the US tortures, runs concentration camps, and brutally oppresses billions of people around the world.
Those who argued for the US to stay out were right then, and are still right today.
I have 2 quick questions 1 how can “Tankies” communists, Marxist Lenninists, The most anti-Facist folks you will ever meet facist supporters?
Second how exactly is this Putin’s war, as far as I can tell it is Ukraine who violated the Minsk accords for years and that was the inciting incident for this whole thing, now if you could show me how I am wrong I am all ears, but I feel it is irresponsible to pin an entire war on the president of a nation, let alone the one who did not violate the previous agreement
buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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you link to a massive report by - ahem - rand - a dubious source of its own, and don’t even bother to explain your point or who this adds anything to back it up. more like you google your position and just linked the first thing that confirmed your bias. you’ve gone from comparing Ukraine to Afghanistan to moving the goalposts to just calling it a proxy war. your argument keeps falling apart and changing.
if you had an argument to make, you would, rather than relying on something you don’t understand and can’t explain to do it or you.
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