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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

  • swlabr@awful.systems
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    OK I sped read that thing earlier today, and am now reading it proper.

    The best answer ā€” AI has ā€œjagged intelligenceā€ ā€” lies in between hype and skepticism.

    Hereā€™s how they describe this term, about 2000 words in:

    Researchers have come up with a buzzy term to describe this pattern of reasoning: ā€œjagged intelligence." [ā€¦] Picture it like this. If human intelligence looks like a cloud with softly rounded edges, artificial intelligence is like a spiky cloud with giant peaks and valleys right next to each other. In humans, a lot of problem-solving capabilities are highly correlated with each other, but AI can be great at one thing and ridiculously bad at another thing that (to us) doesnā€™t seem far apart.

    So basically, this term is just pure hype, designed to play up the ā€œintelligenceā€ part of it, to suggest that ā€œAI can be greatā€. The article just boils down to ā€œuse AI for the things that we think itā€™s good at, and donā€™t use it for the things we think itā€™s bad at!ā€ As they say on the internet, completely unserious.

    The big story is: AI companies now claim that their models are capable of genuine reasoning ā€” the type of thinking you and I do when we want to solve a problem. And the big question is: Is that true?

    Demonstrably no.

    These models are yielding some very impressive results. They can solve tricky logic puzzles, ace math tests, and write flawless code on the first try.

    Fuck right off.

    Yet they also fail spectacularly on really easy problems. AI experts are torn over how to interpret this. Skeptics take it as evidence that ā€œreasoningā€ models arenā€™t really reasoning at all.

    Ah, yes, as we all know, the burden of proof lies on skeptics.

    Believers insist that the models genuinely are doing some reasoning, and though it may not currently be as flexible as a humanā€™s reasoning, itā€™s well on its way to getting there. So, whoā€™s right?

    Again, fuck off.

    Moving onā€¦

    The skepticā€™s case

    vs

    The believerā€™s case

    A LW-level analysis shows that the article spends 650 words on the skepticā€™s case and 889 on the believerā€™s case. BIAS!!! /s.

    Anyway, here are the skeptics quoted:

    • Shannon Vallor, ā€œa philosopher of technology at the University of Edinburghā€
    • Melanie Mitchell, ā€œa professor at the Santa Fe Instituteā€

    Great, now the believers:

    • Ryan Greenblatt, ā€œchief scientist at Redwood Researchā€
    • Ajeya Cotra, ā€œa senior analyst at Open Philanthropyā€

    You will never guess which two of these four are regular wrongers.

    Note that the article only really has examples of the dumbass-nature of LLMs. All the smart things it reportedly does is anecdotal, i.e. the author just says shit like ā€œAI can do solve some really complex problems!ā€ Yet, it still has the gall to both-sides this and suggest weā€™ve boiled the oceans for something more than a simulated idiot.

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      Humans have bouba intelligence, computers have kiki intelligence. This is makes so much more sense than considering how a chatbot actually works.

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        But if Bouba is supposed to be better why is ā€œsmooth brainedā€ used as an insult? Checkmate Inbasilifidelists!

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      So basically, this term is just pure hype, designed to play up the ā€œintelligenceā€ part of it, to suggest that ā€œAI can be greatā€.

      people knotting themselves into a pretzel to avoid recognising that theyā€™ve been deeply and thoroughly conned for years

      The article just boils down to ā€œuse AI for the things that we think itā€™s good at, and donā€™t use it for the things we think itā€™s bad at!ā€

      I love how thoroughly inconcrete that suggestion is. supes a great answer for this thing weā€™re supposed to be putting all of society on

      itā€™s also a hell of a trip to frame it as ā€œbelieversā€ vs ā€œskepticsā€. I get itā€™s vox and itā€™s basically a captured mouthpiece and that itā€™s probably wildly insane to expect even scientism (much less so an acknowledgement of science/evidence), but fucking hell